Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

ChocolateTrees replied on 04/01/2022 15:48

Posted on 04/01/2022 15:31 by KjellNN

What is the max weight upgrade on the  Vigo?

And the towing capability of your Polestar?

Posted on 04/01/2022 15:48

S3 Vigo MTPLM is factory 1500, and 1550 with weight upgrade.

Polestar Max towed mass is 1500. 

I run with 90kg static noseweight (towbar limit) leaving 40kg of towable payload if the van is at maximum load. 

KjellNN replied on 04/01/2022 16:30

Posted on 04/01/2022 16:30

Thanks, just wondered as our daughter is interested in buying a van in the next few years, but most payloads these days are poor, so upgrade needed!  

 She will also need a new car too, which could be a bigger problem (she has a 20 year old Volvo V40), and the money for both of course.

They have been "borrowing" our twin axle which weighs in at 1900kg max, so I have had to tow and site the van for them so far, and fetch it home again, but with the new towing licence rules I fully expect them to ask if they can take the whole outfit themselves.  They are insured on our car, but this will not be happening until they have done a towing course!   

 We might however consider lending them the car if they got their own van as they are looking at something slightly smaller.

 P.S.  thanks for the very interesting report on towing with the Polestar.

EmilysDad replied on 04/01/2022 17:42

Posted on 04/01/2022 16:30 by KjellNN

Thanks, just wondered as our daughter is interested in buying a van in the next few years, but most payloads these days are poor, so upgrade needed!  

 She will also need a new car too, which could be a bigger problem (she has a 20 year old Volvo V40), and the money for both of course.

They have been "borrowing" our twin axle which weighs in at 1900kg max, so I have had to tow and site the van for them so far, and fetch it home again, but with the new towing licence rules I fully expect them to ask if they can take the whole outfit themselves.  They are insured on our car, but this will not be happening until they have done a towing course!   

 We might however consider lending them the car if they got their own van as they are looking at something slightly smaller.

 P.S.  thanks for the very interesting report on towing with the Polestar.

Posted on 04/01/2022 17:42

... but this will not be happening until they have done a towing course!  

But did YOU do a towing course? πŸ™„ I'd imagine that the majority here that didn't need to do one, haven't done one.

Cornersteady replied on 04/01/2022 19:46

Posted on 04/01/2022 16:30 by KjellNN

Thanks, just wondered as our daughter is interested in buying a van in the next few years, but most payloads these days are poor, so upgrade needed!  

 She will also need a new car too, which could be a bigger problem (she has a 20 year old Volvo V40), and the money for both of course.

They have been "borrowing" our twin axle which weighs in at 1900kg max, so I have had to tow and site the van for them so far, and fetch it home again, but with the new towing licence rules I fully expect them to ask if they can take the whole outfit themselves.  They are insured on our car, but this will not be happening until they have done a towing course!   

 We might however consider lending them the car if they got their own van as they are looking at something slightly smaller.

 P.S.  thanks for the very interesting report on towing with the Polestar.

Posted on 04/01/2022 19:46

Why ask for a towing course? did you have any when you first towed? I didn't but I think one learns quickly enough. 

Also, do you leave your car there and come home some other way?, or do you go home with it and then return? Either way not good for the planet and as you said once you can't ignore the effect on GW just for a holiday?

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ChocolateTrees replied on 04/01/2022 22:22

Posted on 04/01/2022 17:42 by EmilysDad

... but this will not be happening until they have done a towing course!  

But did YOU do a towing course? πŸ™„ I'd imagine that the majority here that didn't need to do one, haven't done one.

Posted on 04/01/2022 22:22

You may not have done a course, but did you learn to tow using someone else’s car and caravan?

Seems to me that asking someone to have some experience of towing before lending them your pride and joy is perfectly reasonable. 

When I started towing I did one of the towing taster sessions at the NEC caravan show just to get the basics. Then my FIL was kind enough to let me tow his caravan for a couple of miles using my car and insurance, with him as shotgun before I had to pick up our first ‘van, and he came with us to collect it and helped with lessons on the way home. 

 

KjellNN replied on 04/01/2022 23:37

Posted on 04/01/2022 17:42 by EmilysDad

... but this will not be happening until they have done a towing course!  

But did YOU do a towing course? πŸ™„ I'd imagine that the majority here that didn't need to do one, haven't done one.

Posted on 04/01/2022 23:37

Did not do any training beforehand with  a caravan, but I did learn to drive in the army, using small lorries and various other vehicles, and was afterwards towing various trailers, so had a modicum of experience.

Started towing here in 1970 using our own car and FIL's small 2  berth  caravan, plus his business trailer,  then graduated to our own slightly larger 4  berth van, which we towed in UK, and to Sweden and Norway in 1977, adding Finland in 1980, and again in 1981, so did not leap straight in using an 8m twin axle!    Not sure if towing courses even existed back then.

For the next 10 years, from 1984, we had only smaller trailers, then our  next  van was a 1998 Eccles Emerald, 4 berth, which we had for 10 years, then bought our present van in 2008.

So I have "worked my way up" in size, and having done many miles of driving in my job....20-30k miles annually for 25 years.....was well used to increasing traffic volumes.

DD and SIL on the other hand both only drive smaller cars, mainly in and around town, and have absolutely no towing experience........going on  a towing course is something THEY also want to do, to gain confidence.

 Meantime, yes, I have to take the van for them, and return for it later, so the distance their destination can be from home is pretty limited.  Their last trip was from Glasgow to North  Berwick.  We also try to make the journeys part of the holiday as far as possible, by finding interesting places to stop for picnic lunches on the way home.

ChocolateTrees replied on 05/01/2022 07:55

Posted on 04/01/2022 15:10 by EmilysDad

... vans with conventional header tanks I never considered a few litres of water to be an issue. 

Agreed. If 10lb of water at the back of the caravan (plus what might be added enroute πŸ™„) is an issue, then I'd suggest that there are bigger problems elsewhere.

Posted on 05/01/2022 07:55

If you have a ‘van that has lots of available payload then using some of it for the header tank (and some in the holding tank) seems like a perfectly sensible use. And we used to do exactly that on two previous vans (Bailey Pageant S7 Bretagne and Pegasus S3 Ancona).  However, with the Vigo, we had two issues. 1) before the 1st trip out, I took the van to our local weigh bridge  with our regular “kit out” excluding clothes and fridge items, and discovered that we were already pretty much at the MTPLM of the van. That made us totally re-weigh all our items from scratch and be far more selective over what we take with us. We also added the max weight upgrade during that exercise . 
2) we used to tow with our (empty) bagged aqua rolls in the shower for storage. The shower in the Vigo is at the extreme rear kerbside. On the 1st trip we discovered there was more bounce in the van than we were used to, so we moved the aqua rolls to the centre, and some other gear from then front to then centre to maintain nose weight. The bounce disappears. 

Net net - using public loos on route is for us a useful trade off for weight to be used elsewhere, and we don’t have a loading problem specifically because we keep weight to the centre. Not despite adding 5+ kg to the rear. 

EmilysDad replied on 05/01/2022 08:23

Posted on 04/01/2022 22:22 by ChocolateTrees

You may not have done a course, but did you learn to tow using someone else’s car and caravan?

Seems to me that asking someone to have some experience of towing before lending them your pride and joy is perfectly reasonable. 

When I started towing I did one of the towing taster sessions at the NEC caravan show just to get the basics. Then my FIL was kind enough to let me tow his caravan for a couple of miles using my car and insurance, with him as shotgun before I had to pick up our first β€˜van, and he came with us to collect it and helped with lessons on the way home. 

 

Posted on 05/01/2022 08:23

  ... but did you learn to tow using someone else’s car and caravan?

No. I drove to Barrons in Chorley with my newly fitted towbar, hitched up & drove home, 'practicing' on the way. Admittedly it was a small caravan, but I'd towed large trailers on a farm as a lad with a tractor & reversed them too. 

cyberyacht replied on 05/01/2022 16:32

Posted on 05/01/2022 16:32

I was reading today that Mercedes have run a prototype for 600 miles, Lands End to Inverness IIRC, on a single charge. Whilst only a prototype and production vehicles might most probably be less, even a range of say 400 miles would be a significant development for an E vehicle. About 250 miles seems to be the going rate atm.

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