Practical towing experience using an EV.

Nickplymouth replied on 27/06/2021 11:18

Posted on 27/06/2021 11:18

Hi all,

I wondered if anybody has used an electric car for towing and has practical experience they can share?

I've used a hybrid recently and it's fine as of course I can top up with fuel nice and easily.

My main concern is charging on a longer trip. From what I can tell to charge at services, I am likely to need to park the caravan in the 'lorry' area then move the car to a charge point then back again after. I don't think this is possible at all service areas so might require the caravan to be taken to the normal car area, but still unhitched to allow charging.

I can cope with a little extra inconvenience, as I don't expect it to be an issue very often.

Thanks.

Nick.

ChocolateTrees replied on 25/09/2021 18:52

Posted on 25/09/2021 18:31 by JVB66

Tried that, Kia marketing  (as most)only gives  what may be possible? but no real world towing figures

Posted on 25/09/2021 18:52

I don’t think any manufacturer gives real world figures for solo, never mind towing, on ICE or BEV. But based on my experience, you could expect arround a 40% drop in range from your real world solo range. Have a look at the Fully Charged review on YouTube with Jack Scarlet. It looks like an excellent package. The GT line S AWD looks like the pick of the bunch, unless you want Ferrari killing performance with the full GT.

https://youtu.be/jb5bhI1pzTM

EmilysDad replied on 25/09/2021 19:36

Posted on 25/09/2021 16:31 by Rocky 2 buckets

I just can’t see the point of a Hybrid if it needs charging, you have the extra engine issue that needs servicing & feeding with fossil fuel yet can’t charge itself whereas a true EV needs charging & that’s accepted🤷🏻‍♂️, crazy stuff☹️

Posted on 25/09/2021 19:36

not all hybrids are plug-in. The likes of the Toyota Pius can not be plugged in, but the Vauxhall Ampera could be plugged in so if your journeys were fairly local (IIRC 80miles range) then the petrol engine only drives the genny and never the wheels directly. 

ChocolateTrees replied on 25/09/2021 21:35

Posted on 25/09/2021 21:35

The key difference between a PHEV and a self charging hybrid is that in a self charging hybrid, ALL energy used to drive the car comes via the fossil fuel filler cap. In PHEV it’s possible to drive the car without ever using the combustion engine, because you can replenish its energy store (Battery) via a charging cable, making it (potentially) cheaper and cleaner to run.

EmilysDad replied on 25/09/2021 22:01

Posted on 25/09/2021 21:35 by ChocolateTrees

The key difference between a PHEV and a self charging hybrid is that in a self charging hybrid, ALL energy used to drive the car comes via the fossil fuel filler cap. In PHEV it’s possible to drive the car without ever using the combustion engine, because you can replenish its energy store (Battery) via a charging cable, making it (potentially) cheaper and cleaner to run.

Posted on 25/09/2021 22:01

and both involve lugging around a ICE as back up to the battery. And things like the Merc E Class are a hybrid in name only as I believe its battery has a range of around 15 miles at best

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/09/2021 07:58

Posted on 25/09/2021 22:01 by EmilysDad

and both involve lugging around a ICE as back up to the battery. And things like the Merc E Class are a hybrid in name only as I believe its battery has a range of around 15 miles at best

Posted on 26/09/2021 07:58

A standard hybrid does not use the ICE as a backup to the battery; it’s it only means of charging it. A standard hybrid will typically have sufficient battery for maybe a mile (just one), before the engine will have to kick in.

Just for clarity, any form of EV (BEV, PHEV, or  standard hybrid) will recover energy from braking. It’s that energy recovery that increases the of the car over a regular ICE.

A standard “self charging hybrid” of PHEV, may also have a mode that allows “excess power” from the engine to recharge the battery as you drive along. Here, he value for a PHEV, is that you can burn fuel out in the countryside where particulate emissions are less of a problem, and run on electricity only in a town or city where those particles cause health issues. 

The 15 miles of electric only in a Merc E PHEV  hybrid is perfectly usable in those scenarios, minimising emissions in cities. It’s a PHEV, if it can then be plugged in to recharge.

watto64 replied on 05/10/2021 20:52

Posted on 05/10/2021 20:52

Bit late to the party, but leaving a caravan alone on a service station is not best practice, by the time id unhitched, got the legs down, put both wheel locks on, the hitch lock on, thats 20 minutes gone and not even got to the queue for the charging point...then repeat in reverse order only to do it all again in another 100 miles.

There are some stunning EV's about and the instant high torque is a caravanners dream but me thinks the infrastructure will struggle to keep pace with EV technology. 

ChocolateTrees replied on 06/10/2021 15:35

Posted on 05/10/2021 20:52 by watto64

Bit late to the party, but leaving a caravan alone on a service station is not best practice, by the time id unhitched, got the legs down, put both wheel locks on, the hitch lock on, thats 20 minutes gone and not even got to the queue for the charging point...then repeat in reverse order only to do it all again in another 100 miles.

There are some stunning EV's about and the instant high torque is a caravanners dream but me thinks the infrastructure will struggle to keep pace with EV technology. 

Posted on 06/10/2021 15:35

Agreed, watto64. For lone towers, this is a real issue. Far more of an issue than the time taken to charge. We unhitch ours, but never leave it alone, there is all ways one member of our party with it. 

Hitchandgo replied on 25/01/2022 20:49

Posted on 04/08/2021 18:41 by ChocolateTrees

Here is a cross post from the other thread on my last trip. See last 2 pages (31 and 32)

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-together/discussions/information-technical-tips-advice/towcars-towing/diesel-petrol-alternatives-your-thoughts-please/?p=31

I just did a 400 mile round trip with our Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo max weight upgrade (MTPLM 1550Kg) towing with the Polestar 2 Launch edition. (78kWh, 300Kw). Started in South Northants and headed to Whitby (Great CL - Monks farm - with a view of the abbey). We planned the trip so that we would charge at our natural break points. Left at 8am from home, 1st stop for coffee and comfort was after about 1 hr 45 at Duckmanton (M1J29A). Stopped for about 25 - 30 mins. Long enough to find a cup of coffee, drink it and each a cheeky 2nd breakfast bacon roll. Then headed out again and stopped at Skelton Lakes in Leads at around noon. There we again stopped long enough for each of us to use the loo, buy some lunch and eat in the van. About 40 mins. At both stops we unhitched to charge and re-hitched to leave - added maybe 5 mins total to the stop. At both stops, we gained more charge than we needed to get to our next planned stop. I.e. we were not waiting for the car to charge, but getting on with resting and refuelling the humans while the car did its own thing. We arrived on site with about 30% charge remaining (60 - 80 miles solo, 30-35 towing). its a 10A CL, but we were able to plug the car in via the van, and charge an additional 15% to 20% each night.  At the end of the trip I calculated roughly how much electricity we had used charging the car, and paid the CL owner the extra cost along with the pitch fee. We retraced our steps on the way home stopping for about 30 mins and 35 mins respectively. 

On the whole trip we waited to charge the car for exactly 0 minutes. The extra hitch and un hitch took no more than 20 mins in the entire holiday. We spent 0 mins looking for or filling up at a fuel station. 400 miles of towing + about 200 miles of touring around while there cost the princely sum of about £50. The 400 miles of towing in my PHEV or the XC90 that I had before that would have cost about £140 in diesel. The local touring an additional £40 to £50. I saved on three trips to the fuel station, each being around 20 mins (as I would have had to go out of my way to find one). 

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-together/discussions/information-technical-tips-advice/towcars-towing/diesel-petrol-alternatives-your-thoughts-please/?p=31

Posted on 25/01/2022 20:49

I’m starting to look at EV’s and PHEVs to replace my diesel BMW SUV..

Although there are many new models due out 2022 many are only certified to tow up to 750kg. A few are rated to 1500kg. I note CT post towing a 1550kg Bailey with a  Polestar that has a max tow weight 1500kg. Are the certified tow weights lower than the kerb weights? I ask because of the 85% rule  tow weight rule for MPTLM? If an additional 15% is still required fir EV’s then don’t we need two vehicles with  max tow weights of over 1800kg ?

Vulcan replied on 25/01/2022 21:20

Posted on 25/01/2022 20:49 by Hitchandgo

I’m starting to look at EV’s and PHEVs to replace my diesel BMW SUV..

Although there are many new models due out 2022 many are only certified to tow up to 750kg. A few are rated to 1500kg. I note CT post towing a 1550kg Bailey with a  Polestar that has a max tow weight 1500kg. Are the certified tow weights lower than the kerb weights? I ask because of the 85% rule  tow weight rule for MPTLM? If an additional 15% is still required fir EV’s then don’t we need two vehicles with  max tow weights of over 1800kg ?

Posted on 25/01/2022 21:20

I would imagine the Polestar kerbweight will be well in excess of 1550kg as full electric cars are generally very heavy. The 85% is only a guide and has no base in law so if he is not exceeding the 1500kg limit or the gross train weight he will be legal.

ChocolateTrees replied on 25/01/2022 21:57

Posted on 25/01/2022 21:57

Kerbweight of the P2 in my spec is 2227kg including the towbar.

I run with a nose weight of 90kg which is part of the payload for the car. Towed mass allowed for my outfit is up to 1550kg (MTPLM for the caravan) less towbar nose weight load (90kg) which is 1460kg. 40kg less than the car max towed mass. 

 

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