PHEV/EV Charging

Received a reply from the CMC this afternoon, as regards the EV charger at Cayton site they unfortunately do no know the charging speed or charge per kWh, they have also informed they have a EV charger at Black Knowl, I was Black Knowl last week the EV charger is still out of order for the last 2 years plus ?

This is the response I got from CMAC

Hello Michael,

Thank you for your email regarding your query on charging electric vehicles on site.

As you can appreciate not every member has an electric vehicle so we make it fair for all our members.

The electricity is paid for in kilowatt-hours, which is a measure of how much energy is drawn from the network. Amps are a measure of the rate at which the electricity is flowing, not the amount itself, so the 16A limit restricts what can be drawn at any one time.

A battery charging overnight will be drawing power at that rate all through the night during hours when a caravan not charging a car is not drawing any power. Therefore it uses more units of electricity.

The pitch fees that include electricity are calculated to include what we have calculated is an average amount of usage, which is less than is used when a car is charged.

The £9 fee we charge for those members who wish to charge an EV is worked out on the assumption a car is plugged in overnight, via your outfit, drawing a maximum of 2.3kw, which is the same regardless of the car type. The energy we are charged for in kilowatt-hours is the kilowatts multiplied by the number of hours, oother commercial charging facilities typically charge (if metering charging) at a higher unit price (typically £0.40 to £0.60p per kWh. I can assure you that this was all investigated thoroughly.

We've also introduced five level 2 electric vehicle charging stations at Cayton Village Club Campsite, in North Yorkshire and also level 2 charging spaces near reception due soon at Coniston Park Coppice Club campsite in the Lake District and Black Knowl Club Campsite in the New Forest. These will be charged for at the prevailing rate at the time.

Different vehicles with different capacity batteries (and indeed states of charge) would require different amounts of power to recharge. Ideally, we would prefer to meter and charge for the exact power used, and it remains our intention to move to that principle when the on site technology to deliver a good user experience for members is available.

At present, we have not found an available solution that does exactly what we believe members would want, especially in the rural settings of many of our sites where Wi-Fi and even broadband internet connections are not always guaranteed. However, we continue to engage with the infrastructure providers as their systems evolve, and hope to test and trial a system very soon. We are continuing to future proof our Club as hybrid and electric vehicle ownership grows, and are committed to providing the simplest and fairest way to charge vehicles on-site across our Club campsite network.

Kind Regards
Sarah-Jayne Hawkins
Email Support Team
Caravan and Motorhome Club
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Thanks, both, for the updates.

I suspect the club has contracted out the provision of EV charging points in the same way as AirAngel provide the wifi, and that is why they have no idea at all about charging rates and costs or whether the points are in working order.

Thanks for posting this. Interesting.

So my phev takes about 14kw to charge, multiplied by the avg going rate for elecy at 30p per kwh equals £4.20.  

Why would the club use commercial rates of 40p to 60p to calculate charging. They haven't provided any special equipment. I'm using my own granny charger. 

The club is overcharging phev owners and undercharging for a full charge on a full ev.

Not fair to phev owners.

The majority of modern PHEV have 10 - 14 kWh batteries, they hold 30% in reserve, our 13.8 kWh requires 9.8 - 10.4 kWh for a full charge, our 2020 Outlander PHEV charging speed 3.6 kWh some of the latest PHEV charging speed 7 kWh.

The commercial rate for 7 kWh chargers is between 30 to 40 pence, the figure the CMC are quoting are for fast chargers ?

We charge up using commercial chargers @ 33 pence a kWh £3.30 for a full 10 kWh charge.

Gridserve Motorway services 50 kWh EC charging rate 39 pence kWh

I have a Hyundai Ioniq full ev with a 38kWh battery. I generally use PodPoint. Their 50kW dc chargers near me are 22p or 26p/kWh and at Tesco their 7kWh ac chargers are free. 
I only do a full charge prior to a long journey. My normal charge regime is around 50% (30% to 80%) so 19kWh. Charging like this at a Club site through my outfit would equate to 50p/kWh and take 10 hrs. To get the most out of the £9 cost (10% to 100%) thats 34kWh equating to 26p/kWh and would take 17hrs, not very practical. I would like to know what the average consumption/pitch and cost per kWh the club have used to calculate the add on to the pitch fee. 
Sounds like the cost of the dedicated chargers at Cayton, Coniston and Black Knowl could change daily. Anyone know who provides these chargers for the club. Let’s hope it’s not a disaster like the club Wi-Fi has been for years. 

Not having an non ICE car the figures and calculations above are slightly bewildering however, during a recent visit to a 300 pitch site I was told that their, commercial, unit price is near 50p/kWh which is more that most posters are mentioning.

Mind you I also visited a hotel where it’s £15 a night to charge an EV-I think it’s linked to their use of the word Boutique!

Exactly this. The Club are not comparing them selves to the cost of commercial charging, just the cost of buying electricity as a commercial organisation. As a business, the club are not subject to the price cap which holds standard rate tariffs at around 28-30p / kWh. 

However - if they are paying 40p-50p per kWh and charging 90p per kwh (10kWh battery charging 0 to 100%), then they may be breaking the MRP cap imposed by ofgem for peer to peer charging in a domestic setting. 

I am still waiting for the Ofgem response. 

I just had a further response from the club on the subject of potential breach of MRP cap selling. 

Hopefully more to come from both Ofgem and the Club.

Thank you for coming back to us.

We have reviewed your email and the information provided. The guidance you refer to came out post our decision on this policy so we want to take a little time to review it with our legal team and if required we will amend our approach accordingly. There is alot around how it's interpreted!

We will come back to you when we have completed this review

Thanks again for taking the time to feedback to us.

They will simply ban the charging of EV/PHEV unless though a dedicated EV charger, no loss really there are plenty of public chargers.