PHEV/EV Charging
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JVB66 replied on 08/05/2022 08:12
winni1974 replied on 08/05/2022 08:30
Posted on 07/05/2022 21:10 by hitchglitchHybrids will be phased out along with ICE cars. They offer little environmental benefit with considerable additional complexity so I am not sure why the Club should go out of its way to differentiate between EV and PHEV charging. After all, the range when towing is minimal; the main benefit is for short local trips where battery use can be maximised.
£9 for 30 mile range is about the same cost as diesel.
Can we expect wardens to be able to spot the difference between an EV and a PHEV if the pricing was different?
Posted on 08/05/2022 08:30
I am sorry but the answer to this is an easy one YES the wardens can tell the difference between them all ice cars including self charging hybrids known as FHEV`s have one filler cap for fuel only, all plug in hybrids known as PHEV`s have two filler caps one for fuel and one for the charging cable, and all full EV cars have one filler cap which is for the charging cable,
so someone trying to claim there EV is a PHEV would stand out a mile as it would have two filler caps and not to mention the exhaust pipe sticking out the back
it seems to me that the club have made the decision based on what’s easier for them and rather than have two options which would mean the wardens having to check peoples honesty they have gone with one option of a single charge cost for both EV and PHEV meaning they don’t after check and most of us must be dishonest.
while we are the dishonest label a recent visit i made on one club site was shocking when i saw two separate visitors not staying on site visiting a motor home in full EV cars and charging from the unused hookup points I wonder if they paid £9
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Tinwheeler replied on 08/05/2022 08:36
Posted on 08/05/2022 08:02 by ChocolateTreesI got a reply from the club. It seems the change was mainly down to complexity of implementation for the wardens. They can’t determine what is an EV and what is a PHEV. Apparently some members were abusing the system, either declaring a PHEV over an EV or not declaring at all.
The club admitted this is a stop gap, and are looking at longer term solutions including dedicated on site chargers and per pitch meters.They have not yet commented on the applicability of the MRP and what that might mean from a legal perspective. I am waiting to hear from Ofgem.
TwosTravels replied on 08/05/2022 08:59
Posted on 08/05/2022 08:02 by ChocolateTreesI got a reply from the club. It seems the change was mainly down to complexity of implementation for the wardens. They can’t determine what is an EV and what is a PHEV. Apparently some members were abusing the system, either declaring a PHEV over an EV or not declaring at all.
The club admitted this is a stop gap, and are looking at longer term solutions including dedicated on site chargers and per pitch meters.They have not yet commented on the applicability of the MRP and what that might mean from a legal perspective. I am waiting to hear from Ofgem.
Posted on 08/05/2022 08:59
Thanks for the update. Its helpful.
Its pretty easy to tell a PHEV from a EV or a fossil fuel car. Just look round the car at the fuel filler points. A PHEV will have two - a fossil filler and an electric filler. Surely thats an easy check without staff having to know car models or ask for V5 docs etc.
Who did you write to at the Club?
brue replied on 08/05/2022 11:15
ChocolateTrees replied on 09/05/2022 14:12
Posted on 08/05/2022 08:59 by TwosTravelsThanks for the update. Its helpful.
Its pretty easy to tell a PHEV from a EV or a fossil fuel car. Just look round the car at the fuel filler points. A PHEV will have two - a fossil filler and an electric filler. Surely thats an easy check without staff having to know car models or ask for V5 docs etc.
Who did you write to at the Club?
Posted on 09/05/2022 14:12
I totally agree with you and winni that the inability to determine PHEV from EV is a cop out, and further the idea that this policy will allow a simpler enforcement is pretty dumb. Indeed, the punitive costs for the PHEV user is more likely to result in abuse, rather than a willingness to pay.
The reply came from Member & Guest Relations Coordinator, Site Operations.
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Stowes replied on 09/05/2022 17:27
ChocolateTrees replied on 09/05/2022 17:40
Posted on 09/05/2022 17:27 by StowesAren't full EVs the only cars with the green rectangle on the number plate?
Posted on 09/05/2022 17:40
In theory yes, but it's not mandatory at all to have the green stripe, and it too is open to abuse. I have seen PHEVs with a green stripe wrongly fitted by the dealer, and other ICE only cars with a green stripe fitted as a pointless exercise.
However - this would (in theory) be an easy tell.
I have just had this back from Ofgem.
"Apologies for the delay but this isn’t an easy scenario. I’ve drafted something and it’s under review, I hope to be able to send it your way early next week."
They (at least) are obviously taking this seriously!
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