Electric vehicles and snow

JohnM20 replied on 02/03/2018 08:23

Posted on 02/03/2018 08:23

Has anyone on here any experience of driving in the snow and very cold weather with an electric car? Are they better, worse or no different to a conventional engine? My thoughts, and it is purely a guess, is that they will not perform that well. I believe that if any battery gets very cold it's performance drops off and what about heating for the inside of the car? Imagine being stuck in the snow for hours on end as many vehicles are at the moment with a battery that rapidly becomes flat. I know that weather like this is not common but if the scientists are correct then we can expect more of these sorts of extremes. It is interesting to note that 4 x 4 vehicle owners have been asked by the authorities to come to their rescue to get staff and medical supplies around the country. I don't think an electric vehicle would be much use for this.

brue replied on 02/03/2018 09:05

Posted on 02/03/2018 09:05

We are away at the moment, we know our village back home is at a standstill for all vehicles. Our EV is rear wheel drive so would hope in improved conditions it will cope as well as others. Four wheel drive is obviously slightly better but years ago I managed to get through snow without that luxury!

Why wound the EV battery go flat?

Milothedog replied on 02/03/2018 09:15

Posted on 02/03/2018 09:15

"Why wound the EV battery go flat?"

 

I think the OP means from using the heater more than usual if stuck in Snow for instance as some people are / have been.

brue replied on 02/03/2018 09:22

Posted on 02/03/2018 09:22

There are two types of battery in our EV, one is instrumental one is traction. We also have a Rex (range extender to top up the battery. )

What would happen? As with any vehicle in a prolonged situation fuel etc would run out.

ocsid replied on 02/03/2018 10:07

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:07

There is a little hint in the name "Range Extender" that in pure EV form the vehicle has less than an acceptable range for some buyers?

And of course that Range extender is reliant on what is argued the "big evil", an IC engine in some form.

Space heating is no doubt a challenge with pure EV s where  for 10 , 20 or more hours occupants are stranded in snow, as presently encountered by some unfortunates.

I am not sure many pure EVs out there today has the on-board energy reserves of our 70 liters of diesel? Further, I am not convinced the designers have really thought out how their products will cope with these rare, but life threatening situations.

Or accept these are not the devices for travel where there could be any risk of the present conditions occurring.

Re traction, here EVs could be ideal as the torque can be applied in a controllable way and without rotation, it just needs the designers to drive all wheels, not chase the economics associated with two wheel drive. That is most probably also linked to the present range limitations and could ease when better energy storage is viable?

 

JVB66 replied on 02/03/2018 10:16

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:16

 In the conditions that we have had,rear wheel drive is not good whereas front wheel drive has the weight where needed for better traction,and the majority of breakdown call outs in these conditions are battery failures

brue replied on 02/03/2018 10:18

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:18

For common sense and practical purposes we are running an EV with a rex, 12 parts per million emission so not polluting and minimal fuel input. The next development is hydrogen so we'll see how that goes. However so far so good for us. If we can get home soon we will be using it as per usual. smile

brue replied on 02/03/2018 10:24

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:16 by JVB66

 In the conditions that we have had,rear wheel drive is not good whereas front wheel drive has the weight where needed for better traction,and the majority of breakdown call outs in these conditions are battery failures

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:24

Personally JVB I would think in poor conditions the way a car is driven is the main factor.

Randomcamper replied on 02/03/2018 10:40

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:40

and what about heating for the inside of the car?

I drive an Electric Van in work........it is pure EV. I do a trip in it once a week around a range of the companies sites, a journey of around 60 miles.

It has a timer to preheat the cabin whilst still attached to the mains. However once unplugged we do not use the heater as it would drain the battery too quickly to get back to base. (I've never tried turning the heater on whilst en-route as I don't fancy the walk back to camp!). I wear warm clothes, hat & if need be gloves and take a hot flask of coffee with me. You have to keep the fan sucking cold air in to prevent the windows steaming up. It gets very cold.  This is the one downside of EV's at the moment. Whilst I am being paid In work I am happy to suffer, but my OH would not tolerate this in a family vehicle.

In all other respects (or indeed the summer...!) a pure EV is a pleasure to drive, and once you get used to them far easier than a normal vehicle. I laugh now getting into a conventional car having to faff round starting engines juggling three pedals and stirring a gear lever.  

EV is the future and it is here now............but not on a cold day...!

 

EmilysDad replied on 02/03/2018 10:59

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:40 by Randomcamper

and what about heating for the inside of the car?

I drive an Electric Van in work........it is pure EV. I do a trip in it once a week around a range of the companies sites, a journey of around 60 miles.

It has a timer to preheat the cabin whilst still attached to the mains. However once unplugged we do not use the heater as it would drain the battery too quickly to get back to base. (I've never tried turning the heater on whilst en-route as I don't fancy the walk back to camp!). I wear warm clothes, hat & if need be gloves and take a hot flask of coffee with me. You have to keep the fan sucking cold air in to prevent the windows steaming up. It gets very cold.  This is the one downside of EV's at the moment. Whilst I am being paid In work I am happy to suffer, but my OH would not tolerate this in a family vehicle.

In all other respects (or indeed the summer...!) a pure EV is a pleasure to drive, and once you get used to them far easier than a normal vehicle. I laugh now getting into a conventional car having to faff round starting engines juggling three pedals and stirring a gear lever.  

EV is the future and it is here now............but not on a cold day...!

 

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:59

What are these 3 pedals & gear lever you speak of ...... 🤔 Mine has a go pedal and stop pedal and gear selector for forwards or backwards 😉

replied on 02/03/2018 11:10

Posted on 02/03/2018 10:59 by EmilysDad

What are these 3 pedals & gear lever you speak of ...... 🤔 Mine has a go pedal and stop pedal and gear selector for forwards or backwards 😉

Posted on 02/03/2018 11:10

As we get older I suppose that the fewer pedals the better in order to avoid confusion 

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