Diesel & petrol alternatives? Your thoughts please

KellyHenderson replied on 14/09/2017 14:26

Posted on 14/09/2017 14:26

Good Afternoon,

Hopefully you have now received your September Club Magazine and read the Ask Your Club article (see attached photo) regarding the future of caravanning post 2040.

Have you already changed your vehicle from diesel to petrol?

Is anyone already towing with a hybrid? Maybe a Tesla Model X?

Has the news affected your plans for your next towcar?

It will also be interesting to see how motorhomes evolve into hybrids and/or electric models, which alternative to diesel would you prefer to buy; Hybrid or electric?

 Are you concerned about so few alternatives to diesel at the moment? Would you choose petrol instead if they were more widely available? There is now a VW T6 camper with a petrol engine available. 

Has this news made you think about switching to a car and caravan? Equally would caravanners consider trading in their car and caravan to purchase a hybrid or electric motorhome?

From the questions above, we would love to have your feedback.

One thing is for sure, there will be some interesting times ahead.

geoffeales replied on 22/02/2022 15:18

Posted on 22/02/2022 15:18

First to answer Tinwheeler, yes I looked at several alternatives before buying my Mazda but unlike some on this forum I simply can't afford the kind of money people are asking for EVs or hybrids. We are very definitely of the eco-mindset in just about every choice we make from cornflakes to energy suppliers but when it comes to towing, on our budget we are very limited, so we're satisfied we've made the best choice in this department and will continue to try and make a difference in other areas where we can afford it.

allanandjean replied on 22/02/2022 15:35

Posted on 22/02/2022 14:35 by brue

A&J, I understand what you're saying but caravanning and motorhoming are niche markets, which some can afford and others can't even entertain. We're hopefully talking about developments in these markets, which will be expensive and fairly untested at first but things have changed since the start of this thread five years ago and we are now seeing more progress. 

It might be that we all rent vehicles in the future rather than make large financial purchases, who knows?! It's interesting to see that EVs now have more capabilities in relation to our vanning hobbies.

 

Posted on 22/02/2022 15:35

Brue, I would be devastated to have to give up the van, but my comments are related to general car ownership.

I read a brief article about a new Alfa Romeo last week. It will do 38 miles as a pure EV which means that, when I arrive at my nearest supermarket 20 miles away, I will have no choice but to charge it.

I live in a terrace of 12 houses but only 4 of us have parking, and the roads are single track with no pavement into which a charge point could be fitted. 

In the last year I visited, for work, 280 blocks of flats but parking is a bit of an 'inverse square' thing as, the greater density of flats to a block, the more likely it is that lack of space for development drove this so, guess what? There is nowhere to park or to provide parking!

As I, and others have said, whilst I could probably afford the financial and logistical problems there are many, that cant and will never be able to.

 

eurortraveller replied on 22/02/2022 15:47

Posted on 22/02/2022 15:47

Matthew at the farm has just bought one like this.I must ask him if it’s electric 

ChocolateTrees replied on 22/02/2022 16:04

Posted on 22/02/2022 14:02 by allanandjean

Whilst there may be some for whom it is a mindset thing there are many others for who it is not.

I posted, in response to your OP and made the point that it seemed you were providing very useful info, and in an even handed way but, if you cannot afford an EV, can't charge it at home and can't do the things you want, or need, to do then that is not much of a choice to my mind.

I fear that I can see the change to mass EV ownership will be more likely to come from being given no choice, rather than being able to exercise choice oneself.

Posted on 22/02/2022 16:04

A&J - Actually - that is perhaps the most relevant thing. The technology works, when it's supported by sufficient infrastructure (As SteveL notes) (including on the road charging - like in Croatia, or not, and home charging, or no) and if you are prepared to make the mind set shift, AND if it's affordable.

It has to be the union of all those components. I have a glass half full view because I can charge at home (and its easy to forget that not all can) and the economics for me were a "no brainer". The technology is sufficient for my purposes, and I am of the mind set where I absolutely want to make it work, so I tune my use to match the capabilities of the infrastructure. 

There is pretty much no-where in the UK I would not consider towing the caravan right now. The same would be true for France, NL, DE, BE, Scandanavia, but I never towed there in ICE world, so I don't consider it as part of my game plan (yet).  

And as Brue says, the times are changing...

replied on 22/02/2022 16:42

Posted on 22/02/2022 15:35 by allanandjean

Brue, I would be devastated to have to give up the van, but my comments are related to general car ownership.

I read a brief article about a new Alfa Romeo last week. It will do 38 miles as a pure EV which means that, when I arrive at my nearest supermarket 20 miles away, I will have no choice but to charge it.

I live in a terrace of 12 houses but only 4 of us have parking, and the roads are single track with no pavement into which a charge point could be fitted. 

In the last year I visited, for work, 280 blocks of flats but parking is a bit of an 'inverse square' thing as, the greater density of flats to a block, the more likely it is that lack of space for development drove this so, guess what? There is nowhere to park or to provide parking!

As I, and others have said, whilst I could probably afford the financial and logistical problems there are many, that cant and will never be able to.

 

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flatcoat replied on 22/02/2022 19:48

Posted on 22/02/2022 15:35 by allanandjean

Brue, I would be devastated to have to give up the van, but my comments are related to general car ownership.

I read a brief article about a new Alfa Romeo last week. It will do 38 miles as a pure EV which means that, when I arrive at my nearest supermarket 20 miles away, I will have no choice but to charge it.

I live in a terrace of 12 houses but only 4 of us have parking, and the roads are single track with no pavement into which a charge point could be fitted. 

In the last year I visited, for work, 280 blocks of flats but parking is a bit of an 'inverse square' thing as, the greater density of flats to a block, the more likely it is that lack of space for development drove this so, guess what? There is nowhere to park or to provide parking!

As I, and others have said, whilst I could probably afford the financial and logistical problems there are many, that cant and will never be able to.

 

Posted on 22/02/2022 19:48

Not quite sure of your point about the Alfa? The point of PHEV is you can drive until the battery is depleted and then run on ICE. I have a PHEV and on my 70 mile round trip commute it will cover about 40-45 miles and the remainder on ICE. Charge up again when at home. 

Boff replied on 22/02/2022 21:45

Posted on 22/02/2022 16:42 by

My daughter was supposed to fly into Venice where her partner was  waiting to collect her in an EV.Due to fog the plane was diverted to Milan and the EV didn't  have the range . She got 2 busses and a train

Posted on 22/02/2022 21:45

So for my own amusement I plug in the route Milan Malpensa/ Venice Marco Polo into ABRP based on my EV with a 75% stating. state.   Result tells me I would require 2 charges 23 minutes and 5minutes I think 30minutes at 1 would workto cover 195miles It looks like some people are looking to fail.

On the other hand if she was going to Venice because that were the holiday was.   Then my partner would take 2 buses and a train   

 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 23/02/2022 08:41

Posted on 22/02/2022 21:45 by Boff

So for my own amusement I plug in the route Milan Malpensa/ Venice Marco Polo into ABRP based on my EV with a 75% stating. state.   Result tells me I would require 2 charges 23 minutes and 5minutes I think 30minutes at 1 would workto cover 195miles It looks like some people are looking to fail.

On the other hand if she was going to Venice because that were the holiday was.   Then my partner would take 2 buses and a train   

 

Posted on 23/02/2022 08:41

Thanks Boff👍🏻. You & ChocT are providing facts rather than the naysayers stories of doom & gloom. It’s refreshing to read & shows how the trailblazers throughout history provided the mapping for our future. When the wheel was invented your ancestors were the-‘wow I like that idea’, let’s give it a go’ types rather the the-it’ll never work, it’ll make my nose bleed’ crowd.

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