Diesel & petrol alternatives? Your thoughts please

KellyHenderson replied on 14/09/2017 14:26

Posted on 14/09/2017 14:26

Good Afternoon,

Hopefully you have now received your September Club Magazine and read the Ask Your Club article (see attached photo) regarding the future of caravanning post 2040.

Have you already changed your vehicle from diesel to petrol?

Is anyone already towing with a hybrid? Maybe a Tesla Model X?

Has the news affected your plans for your next towcar?

It will also be interesting to see how motorhomes evolve into hybrids and/or electric models, which alternative to diesel would you prefer to buy; Hybrid or electric?

 Are you concerned about so few alternatives to diesel at the moment? Would you choose petrol instead if they were more widely available? There is now a VW T6 camper with a petrol engine available. 

Has this news made you think about switching to a car and caravan? Equally would caravanners consider trading in their car and caravan to purchase a hybrid or electric motorhome?

From the questions above, we would love to have your feedback.

One thing is for sure, there will be some interesting times ahead.

EmilysDad replied on 30/09/2021 11:41

Posted on 30/09/2021 11:41

As I posted the other week .. the grid can generate it, but the infrastructure to get it to households isn't there (yet)

100 miles towing is just now where near far enough for most of us .... it'd take forever to get anywhere.

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/09/2021 12:05

Posted on 30/09/2021 11:41 by EmilysDad

As I posted the other week .. the grid can generate it, but the infrastructure to get it to households isn't there (yet)

100 miles towing is just now where near far enough for most of us .... it'd take forever to get anywhere.

Posted on 30/09/2021 12:05

As I posted the other week .. the grid can generate it, but the infrastructure to get it to households isn't there (yet)

Acknowledged. Work is needed in this area both for properties without private parking, and for DNOs to support local higher loads. 

100 miles towing is just now where near far enough for most of us .... it'd take forever to get anywhere.

100 miles _in one go_ is not for enough _for you_. I still maintain, this is a very individual thing, and for a good number it wont be enough, but for a different good number it will. I am not sure anyone has figured out what the average tow length is, or how many stops are taken. I would love to see that data though...

EmilysDad replied on 30/09/2021 12:20

Posted on 30/09/2021 12:05 by ChocolateTrees

As I posted the other week .. the grid can generate it, but the infrastructure to get it to households isn't there (yet)

Acknowledged. Work is needed in this area both for properties without private parking, and for DNOs to support local higher loads. 

100 miles towing is just now where near far enough for most of us .... it'd take forever to get anywhere.

100 miles _in one go_ is not for enough _for you_. I still maintain, this is a very individual thing, and for a good number it wont be enough, but for a different good number it will. I am not sure anyone has figured out what the average tow length is, or how many stops are taken. I would love to see that data though...

Posted on 30/09/2021 12:20

As you suggest, each to their own, but I'd suggest that you're in the minority when you're only towing 100 miles in a day .... that's just 2 hours or so on a motorway.

ADP1963 replied on 30/09/2021 12:56

Posted on 30/09/2021 12:56

I agree with you Andy 100 miles would be no good for me as it is 268 miles one way to visit my Son in Cornwall. That would work out as 6 days travelling for me. I have a greedy car but it does enable me to make the journey in an acceptable time.

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/09/2021 13:30

Posted on 30/09/2021 12:20 by EmilysDad

As you suggest, each to their own, but I'd suggest that you're in the minority when you're only towing 100 miles in a day .... that's just 2 hours or so on a motorway.

Posted on 30/09/2021 13:30

But ED, I don’t just tow 100 miles in one day. I towed over 200 in July, and am planning over 240 one way in one day later this month. 
ADP - towing 268 in one day would be absolutely possible too. 

EmilysDad replied on 30/09/2021 13:45

Posted on 30/09/2021 13:30 by ChocolateTrees

But ED, I don’t just tow 100 miles in one day. I towed over 200 in July, and am planning over 240 one way in one day later this month. 
ADP - towing 268 in one day would be absolutely possible too. 

Posted on 30/09/2021 13:45

My mistake .... I should have said in one go rather than each day. It'll still take a while though, especially when you're waiting for the 3 or 4 other EVs to charge up before you get to the charger πŸ˜‰

Though it's not something I've made a habit of, but I've towed from mid west coast French France to home in more or less one go before now, obviously with a break for the Chunnel. But regardless, I don't have a spare £100k for a Tesla Model X to tow my 1860kg twin axle.

ADP1963 replied on 30/09/2021 13:53

Posted on 30/09/2021 13:53

When I am convinced that the Electric Tow Car will do the job ( if I am around and able to ) I will change for certain. I am yet to be convinced though. undecided

EmilysDad replied on 30/09/2021 13:54

Posted on 30/09/2021 13:54

Coincidently I drove a hybrid Renault Capture the other day. Other than being French πŸ™„, I was quite impressed with it! It certainly moved pretty well and a seamless swap from leccy to petrol when required. I wouldn't want to buy/own one though. πŸ˜‰

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/09/2021 14:14

Posted on 30/09/2021 13:45 by EmilysDad

My mistake .... I should have said in one go rather than each day. It'll still take a while though, especially when you're waiting for the 3 or 4 other EVs to charge up before you get to the charger πŸ˜‰

Though it's not something I've made a habit of, but I've towed from mid west coast French France to home in more or less one go before now, obviously with a break for the Chunnel. But regardless, I don't have a spare Β£100k for a Tesla Model X to tow my 1860kg twin axle.

Posted on 30/09/2021 14:14

My mistake ....

NP

I should have said in one go rather than each day. It'll still take a while though, especially when you're waiting for the 3 or 4 other EVs to charge up before you get to the charger πŸ˜‰

Although I have never had to wait to charge my EV, towing or otherwise, and the charging has taken the same time as the stop I would have made anyway.  And right now, waiting to charge vs waiting to fill is a bit of a mute point tongue-out

Though it's not something I've made a habit of, but I've towed from mid west coast French France to home in more or less one go before now, obviously with a break for the Chunnel.

That I would not argue with. Towing 400 to 600 miles in one day is doable in an EV, but would have a much longer day given the extra stops with Polestar 2 tech, but would be easier with Ioniq 5 or EV 6 Battery tech. 

But regardless, I don't have a spare £100k for a Tesla Model X to tow my 1860kg twin axle.

Also point taken, though a quick look at autotrader shows 100D model Xs at sub 70K used (not that I have a spare 70K either!!!). An equivalent performance / Spec / Age Range Rover, is a similar price (5L Autobiography), though generally much lower mileage. 

Used EVs are holding their prices very well as they (generally) have far fewer age related issues to deal with than ICE. 

What _is_ annoying, is that the EVs that have longer range _tend_ to also be higher performance and so command a higher price (Certainly true for Tesla), although again, Kia and Hyundai are changing that situation. 

But give it time - I am certain that both initial prices will drop, battery sizes will grow and charging times will decrease and charging availability will increase. And all of those will be dramatic in the next 2-3 years, long before the 2030 ICE end date.

 

EmilysDad replied on 30/09/2021 15:00

Posted on 30/09/2021 15:00

@Chocolate Tree ... Although I have never had to wait to charge my EV, towing or otherwise, and the charging has taken the same time as the stop I would have made anyway. And right now, waiting to charge vs waiting to fill is a bit of a mute point tongue-out

because the majority of us drive an ICE car hence the lack of queues at the charging points - yet! And I filled two cars over the week end without queuing .... not panic buying but both cars needed it

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