Clutches

G Cherokee replied on 14/12/2017 20:57

Posted on 14/12/2017 20:57

I'm changing my car in the new year and although I would prefer an auto I'm not adverse to getting a manual gearbox.

Can you good folk give me some idea of their tow car performance with a manual box, preferably comments on clutch wear and what sort of mileage did you achieve before a new clutch was fitted??

This is important to me as it will determine the car I end up purchasing.

Thanks guys

EmilysDad replied on 14/12/2017 22:34

Posted on 14/12/2017 22:34

That's a 'how long is a piece of string?' type of question. A manual car that lives its life on a motorway will last forever & a day on a clutch. One that lives its life in town with someone that rides the clutch won't last long. And will this manual have a dmf? That's a whole new ball game.

flatcoat replied on 15/12/2017 07:03

Posted on 15/12/2017 07:03

Agree with MM. Some drivers simply lack mechanical sympathy and will wear out a clutch in 10,000 miles irrespective of towing or not. In 40 years of averaging 20k miles a year I have never had to replace a clutch, and that includes some cars with over 150k miles on the clock. DMF can be a problem and are not restricted to diesels or cars with manual gearbox.....

ocsid replied on 15/12/2017 07:41

Posted on 15/12/2017 07:41

Also, there are "autos" and there are "autos" with different technology of clutches used.

For anyone with a hangup with clutches, then a correctly specified and cooled torque converter auto is IMO the way to go.

 

EmilysDad replied on 15/12/2017 08:27

Posted on 15/12/2017 07:41 by ocsid

Also, there are "autos" and there are "autos" with different technology of clutches used.

For anyone with a hangup with clutches, then a correctly specified and cooled torque converter auto is IMO the way to go.

 

Posted on 15/12/2017 08:27

You mean there are automated manuals & there are 'proper' autos 😉

2 pedals good ..... 3 pedals bad 😉

Milothedog replied on 15/12/2017 08:58

Posted on 15/12/2017 08:58

I was out last night with a few mates for a Christmas Beer & Curry, One of them picked me up in his Diesel Estate Audi with CVT gearbox, it's on its second one now, first one changed at 65K under warranty sealed

The cars not used for towing anything, he says Diesels and CVT's don't work well together from what he has been told by the dealer.

ocsid replied on 15/12/2017 09:10

Posted on 15/12/2017 09:10

Throw any real amount of towing into the equation and for boxes designed for use in domestic cars, that will quickly find the fragility of clutch systems. These are optimised for domestic car use, not lumbered with near twice the mass to get moving.

EmilysDad replied on 15/12/2017 09:12

Posted on 15/12/2017 08:58 by Milothedog

I was out last night with a few mates for a Christmas Beer & Curry, One of them picked me up in his Diesel Estate Audi with CVT gearbox, it's on its second one now, first one changed at 65K under warranty sealed

The cars not used for towing anything, he says Diesels and CVT's don't work well together from what he has been told by the dealer.

Posted on 15/12/2017 09:12

Before the days of electrickery, if you wanted a variable speed output in industry, a CVT/rubber band drive was usually the answer. They're horrible things which is why they've been replaced with electronic inverter control. 

ocsid replied on 15/12/2017 10:35

Posted on 15/12/2017 09:12 by EmilysDad

Before the days of electrickery, if you wanted a variable speed output in industry, a CVT/rubber band drive was usually the answer. They're horrible things which is why they've been replaced with electronic inverter control. 

Posted on 15/12/2017 10:35

Or in more critical application the very reliable Kopp Variators we extensively used.

However, towing with a "car" [sub 3500kg GVM] then for me its a torque converter in a vehicle getting close to that GVM, every time over a manual clutch or any mechanically clutched auto.

Lutz replied on 15/12/2017 10:42

Posted on 15/12/2017 10:42

I towed an 1800kg caravan with a Lexus with CVT for 7 years without a problem.

Metheven replied on 15/12/2017 10:45

Posted on 15/12/2017 10:35 by ocsid

Or in more critical application the very reliable Kopp Variators we extensively used.

However, towing with a "car" [sub 3500kg GVM] then for me its a torque converter in a vehicle getting close to that GVM, every time over a manual clutch or any mechanically clutched auto.

Posted on 15/12/2017 10:45

Ooh, I think I remember them, but plant operators use to try turning the adjustment wheel whilst stationary and break them.

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