Clutches

G Cherokee replied on 14/12/2017 20:57

Posted on 14/12/2017 20:57

I'm changing my car in the new year and although I would prefer an auto I'm not adverse to getting a manual gearbox.

Can you good folk give me some idea of their tow car performance with a manual box, preferably comments on clutch wear and what sort of mileage did you achieve before a new clutch was fitted??

This is important to me as it will determine the car I end up purchasing.

Thanks guys

Tinwheeler replied on 17/12/2017 10:56

Posted on 17/12/2017 01:15 by G Cherokee

I only mentioned the Kuga as that's one of the cars on my shortlist.

And I do appreciate the variables. But I know from other threads there are some die hard three peddlers out there that can shed some light on the topic based on the tow cars they own or have owned.

Posted on 17/12/2017 10:56

No matter how “die hard” they are, they’ll have great difficulty in answering your ‘how long is a piece of string’ question. 

If people could tell you, they would. I think you’ll just have to make your own mind up, GC. Good luck. 

Metheven replied on 17/12/2017 11:06

Posted on 17/12/2017 11:06

Agree with Tinwheeler, on a car forum I belong to some have reported clutch failure as low as 20,000 miles and others still going at 80,000 miles and more. Both solo driven so there is no answer other than treat the components with respect, and pray to God the next vehicle will be a two pedal TC smile

lornalou1 replied on 17/12/2017 11:37

Posted on 17/12/2017 11:37

also remember that the weight of the van will have an influence on what vehicle you decide to purchase. the 2.7 was a bit of a gas guzzler but the more modern GC's have a better economy and better pulling power.

Vulcan replied on 17/12/2017 13:52

Posted on 15/12/2017 11:32 by lornalou1

you always mention "the rubber belt" when talking about CVT and you are wrong as they are a linked metal belt and on my car gives the smoothes drive i have ever had. milothedog if you believe anything the dealer tells you the you would believe the sun is cold. they are salesmen and if asked a technical question wouldn't know the answer. like Lutz i pull a 1800kg van with my 9 speed CVT jeep cherokee and never a cough/twich/judder or anyting just a smooth ride towing and solo. i worked on freelanders for a few years and would never own one but each to there own as they say. everyone will defend the car they own, as for clutches, manufacturers will only warranty the manual clutch for 6 months from new.

Posted on 17/12/2017 13:52

So which dealer/salesman told you that you have a CVT. The reason that you "pull a 1800kg van without a cough/twich/judder or anyting just a smooth ride towing and solo." Is probably because you have a ZF 9 Speed TC auto box similar to the one in the LR Evoque and Disco Sport, as  far as I know only the Dodge Caliber, Jeep, Compass, and Jeep Patriot were fitted with a CVT with 6 artificial steps.

harrib0 replied on 17/12/2017 16:10

Posted on 17/12/2017 07:50 by cyberyacht

Ford's 'Powershift' auto transmission is not highly regarded although I have no personal experience, my Kuga having been a manual which performed perfectly. 

Posted on 17/12/2017 16:10

I have had no trouble with my Powershift Kuga's auto transmission, tows 1550KG very well. No problems reversing either.

It is a little quirky but you soon learn to overcome that, dropping in to sport at roundabouts etc.

Transmission needs to be serviced ever three years (oil and filter change), other than that I can't fault it.

Milothedog replied on 17/12/2017 16:55

Posted on 17/12/2017 16:55

Back in 2012, we looked at new cars for the first time. We tried a Kuga with power shift and didn't like the way it changed gear. not unlike trucks I have driven. We ended up with a VW Tiguan 2 litre Diesel 7 speed DSG. Have to say most of the time it was fine but let it really get hot in traffic and it made some very rough gear changes.  

Current car (Freelander 2) with 6 speed auto  with TC with lock up clutch is flawless.

I can only speak from my experiences and from what I know from working in the industry but If CVT was a viable option it would have been introduced by now. Most PSV systems use either a ZF, VOITH or Alison gearbox with a torque converter that has a lock up function. The Truck Industry tend to follow the automated manual system with the exception of Dustcarts, Road sweepers etc where the auto with TC seems to employed.

I do think that a CVT system with programmed steps is a bit misleading as the whole idea of a  CVT is it is completely variable given driving and road conditions and not limited to a given amount of ratios. 

 

Just thought I would also add I have never worn out a clutch or had to replace it on any manuals I have ownedsmile

G Cherokee replied on 17/12/2017 20:07

Posted on 17/12/2017 20:07

Thank you thank you milothedog your last paragraph was all I was looking for.

Thanks to harrib0 as well.

 

 

All I was asking for was people's experiences, not their guestimates of how they think their choice of towcar will perform.

As TW said, guess I'll just have find out myself.frown

Tinwheeler replied on 17/12/2017 21:22

Posted on 17/12/2017 21:22

I can’t remember the last time I had a clutch changed on a car.

PS. I buy new, or nearly new, and don't keep them very long and haven’t towed with a manual for 20 years. Nope, it doesn't help you at all.

mickysf replied on 17/12/2017 22:15

Posted on 17/12/2017 22:15

Just a question, no more, but why do motorhomers not suffer from clutch problems to the degree that tuggers seem too! I remember my tugging days and clutch slip and 'fried ferodo' was a constant concern. Even these days you can often smell those new arrivals on site!

replied on 17/12/2017 23:09

Posted on 17/12/2017 23:09

I have had only 4 manual tow cars in 35 years of caravans. The first one, high mileage 4 year old,  I sold after 3 years as I had chance of good deal on next car which I got at 3 years old and gave to daughter 10 years later. Next one from 4 year old until a write off 10 years later.  Present one 12 years old.

Not experienced any clutch problems

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