2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold

NutsyH replied on 19/11/2020 10:56

Posted on 19/11/2020 10:56

What is the Club's position on this announcement?

It sounds the death knell for towing anything like a decent size caravan unless reasonably priced electric cars capable of towing over 200 miles without recharge suddenly appear, and the recharging infrastructure expands rapidly. Given the incompetence of most politicians that is unlikely to happen.

Or do we think this is just another of Bojo's announcements that will quietly be forgotten when it becomes clear that there is no chance of this happening by 2030?

Perhaps the Club could enlighten us on whether it is engaging with the Government, as it is abundantly clear that no thought has been given to this issue by the Politicos.

hitchglitch replied on 23/11/2020 15:10

Posted on 19/11/2020 10:56 by NutsyH

What is the Club's position on this announcement?

It sounds the death knell for towing anything like a decent size caravan unless reasonably priced electric cars capable of towing over 200 miles without recharge suddenly appear, and the recharging infrastructure expands rapidly. Given the incompetence of most politicians that is unlikely to happen.

Or do we think this is just another of Bojo's announcements that will quietly be forgotten when it becomes clear that there is no chance of this happening by 2030?

Perhaps the Club could enlighten us on whether it is engaging with the Government, as it is abundantly clear that no thought has been given to this issue by the Politicos.

Posted on 23/11/2020 15:10

Earlier this year National Grid stated that energy use had dropped by 16% since 2002. Switching to EV’s will increase power requirement by 10% so the net result is still a total power requirement less than it was 18 years ago. EV peak demand will be managed by smart home chargers which will soon be compulsory for new installations.

For anybody contemplating switching to an EV, off-peak electricity is one third of the normal rate and will result in a ‘fuel’ cost of just over 1p per mile. There is no car tax at present, insurance is about the same and maintenance lower (only 20 moving parts on my car).


GM have just stated that they are investing $21 billion in EVs and expect that within 5 years the cost will be the same as a combustion engine car and range will be up to 450 miles. In 10 years; who knows?

EmilysDad replied on 23/11/2020 15:54

Posted on 23/11/2020 13:49 by

Very unlikely to affect me as long as there are no power outages and I need to buy a generator wink

 

Posted on 23/11/2020 15:54

what will power the generator .... ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ˜‰

EmilysDad replied on 23/11/2020 16:01

Posted on 23/11/2020 15:10 by hitchglitch

Earlier this year National Grid stated that energy use had dropped by 16% since 2002. Switching to EVโ€™s will increase power requirement by 10% so the net result is still a total power requirement less than it was 18 years ago. EV peak demand will be managed by smart home chargers which will soon be compulsory for new installations.

For anybody contemplating switching to an EV, off-peak electricity is one third of the normal rate and will result in a โ€˜fuelโ€™ cost of just over 1p per mile. There is no car tax at present, insurance is about the same and maintenance lower (only 20 moving parts on my car).


GM have just stated that they are investing $21 billion in EVs and expect that within 5 years the cost will be the same as a combustion engine car and range will be up to 450 miles. In 10 years; who knows?

Posted on 23/11/2020 16:01

and, as above, from someone who has no vested interest & manages electric for a living says that we're doomed ..... there's barely enough capacity now, let alone when we all have an EV. All very well having smart chargers if you've not enough electric to manage/distribute.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of electric car/etc .... but a lot more needs to happen before it'll work. Maybe we should re-introduce trolly buses ... it might be a start.  (they were way before my time ๐Ÿ˜‰)

replied on 23/11/2020 16:06

Posted on 23/11/2020 15:54 by EmilysDad

what will power the generator .... ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ˜‰

Posted on 23/11/2020 16:06

Petrol as that will be around for a while beyond 2030

 

JVB66 replied on 23/11/2020 16:36

Posted on 23/11/2020 16:06 by

Petrol as that will be around for a while beyond 2030

 

Posted on 23/11/2020 16:36

That reminds me must fill petrol container  to keep  geny topped up for when we get  the next big  electricity outagesurprised 

JVB66 replied on 23/11/2020 16:46

Posted on 23/11/2020 15:10 by hitchglitch

Earlier this year National Grid stated that energy use had dropped by 16% since 2002. Switching to EVโ€™s will increase power requirement by 10% so the net result is still a total power requirement less than it was 18 years ago. EV peak demand will be managed by smart home chargers which will soon be compulsory for new installations.

For anybody contemplating switching to an EV, off-peak electricity is one third of the normal rate and will result in a โ€˜fuelโ€™ cost of just over 1p per mile. There is no car tax at present, insurance is about the same and maintenance lower (only 20 moving parts on my car).


GM have just stated that they are investing $21 billion in EVs and expect that within 5 years the cost will be the same as a combustion engine car and range will be up to 450 miles. In 10 years; who knows?

Posted on 23/11/2020 16:46

Interesting that NG aresaying less power is being used when the massive power outage last year that blacked out large areas on North London including the railway OHL was down to more power than the supply could cope with

Also the railway OHL needs millions more spent on upgrading the ECML between Newcastle and Edinborough to have enough power to enable trains to use electric  power where some now have to be ICE powered to stop a power outage

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