Infrared heating

allanandjean replied on 18/07/2020 07:05

Posted on 18/07/2020 07:05

Hi, Being unable to go abroad as usual this year, like many, one thing that we missed was being able to sit out on warm evenings something that, even in our good spells of weather, is not so enticing in the UK.

It would be great to have a bit of heating to enable us to do so in comfort and have narrowed it down to the infrared type seen in many commercial premises to encourage the use of outside space-many of the hits we had made reference to Covid and the advantages of being outside-and after thinking it would likely be a wall mounted heater have come across some freestanding ones at Screwfix.

One advantage would be being able to use in the awning should we wish to and I wondered if anyone else has infrared heaters either at home or for use when camping and what the experience hs been?

Many thanks.   

moulesy replied on 19/07/2020 11:08

Posted on 19/07/2020 11:08

"We are in sunny Yorkshire though! (Glorious today☀️)😁'

Well please don't use up all that sunshine before we get there next week! wink

replied on 19/07/2020 11:22

Posted on 19/07/2020 10:26 by moulesy

Be brave, David! Some of us have holidayed all year round "over here" for many years without ever laying hands on an awning heater!  smile

Posted on 19/07/2020 11:22

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Cornersteady replied on 19/07/2020 11:37

Posted on 19/07/2020 09:56 by SteveL

It is a fallacy about increasing fees btw, you pay for your EHU and you can do what you want with it (within reason - don't heat an empty awning) so just enjoy your trips to the full like being in a hotel or B&B.

I don't disagree with your statement that you pay for your EHU and if there are no restrictions ( such as the one re charging cars ) you are free to use it as you see fit.

However, I doubt sites calculate their costs assuming everyone will use 16 amps for the duration of their stay. I'm sure they will work on past figures for consumption. If consumption increases over time, because of an increase in awning heater use, costs would have to increase to cover it. As they have with the separate levy for charging electric vehicles.

Posted on 19/07/2020 11:37

Yes I'm sure they don't and I think JK once said it was based an 'average' . But awning heaters are not new and certainly been going for as long as I have been using club sites. I think the 'average' will have been quite steady and known about for some time? Certainly it will go up as people want and use more electrical items?

So unless there is a new higher demand for electricity due to all the 'over there' campers now staying over here and using awning heaters I can't see a huge rise in that average? 

And of course that avaerage will take into account a higher and longer 'indoor' usage during the colder months and perhaps only using awning heaters for a few hours in the summer evening. I am certainly not saying use an awning heater during winter.

As I said while there are always yearly price rises I don't think one can put all the blame onto awning heaters? Electricity and other costs do go up of their own accord and people probably want and use more electric items in their outfits.  

A simple test is this, if heaters were banned but you think the price rises would go? 

JVB66 replied on 19/07/2020 16:05

Posted on 19/07/2020 16:05

 I think  the use of the 3bar? radiant heaters full on in empty? awnings just heating the sky ,has brought it to more notice ,and adverse (correctly in my view) comments about the waste of electric. ,when we are all being asked to save power to help keep costs down and mitigate price rises on sites

In the past the waste was not so noticed when it was possibly a convector heater of fan heater in use 

replied on 19/07/2020 17:34

Posted on 19/07/2020 16:05 by JVB66

 I think  the use of the 3bar? radiant heaters full on in empty? awnings just heating the sky ,has brought it to more notice ,and adverse (correctly in my view) comments about the waste of electric. ,when we are all being asked to save power to help keep costs down and mitigate price rises on sites

In the past the waste was not so noticed when it was possibly a convector heater of fan heater in use 

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Freedom a whitebox replied on 19/07/2020 19:53

Posted on 19/07/2020 19:53

Warm air rises or is it cool air falls 🤔

Seriously, any good heating engineer will tell you it’s all about heat loss. You will better off, insulating than trying to pump kilowatts of heat into a structure that Just can’t retain any heat. 

Another problem will be discovered in the morning when the awning is dripping from condensation as a result trying to heat it the night before.

I would recommend dressing appropriately by putting on warmer clothing and save the lightweight ones for warmer climates.   

EmilysDad replied on 19/07/2020 22:52

Posted on 19/07/2020 19:53 by Freedom a whitebox

Warm air rises or is it cool air falls 🤔

Seriously, any good heating engineer will tell you it’s all about heat loss. You will better off, insulating than trying to pump kilowatts of heat into a structure that Just can’t retain any heat. 

Another problem will be discovered in the morning when the awning is dripping from condensation as a result trying to heat it the night before.

I would recommend dressing appropriately by putting on warmer clothing and save the lightweight ones for warmer climates.   

Posted on 19/07/2020 22:52

you get a fair bit of condensation in my awning in the morning & no heater has ever been anywhere near it.

Freedom a whitebox replied on 19/07/2020 23:40

Posted on 19/07/2020 22:52 by EmilysDad

you get a fair bit of condensation in my awning in the morning & no heater has ever been anywhere near it.

Posted on 19/07/2020 23:40

That’s because of the temperature difference between the inside of the awning and the outside.

Theres going to be some heat escaping from the side of the caravan and the area inside of the awning will trap some of this heat compared to other areas of the caravan that are totally exposed to the outside atmosphere. 
There doesn’t have to be a great temperature difference for condensation to form. Increased ventilation of the area within the awning will help reduce the internal temperature and help reduce the amount of condensate forming. Enough ventilation could equal the temperature difference and eliminate the process.

JVB66 replied on 20/07/2020 08:17

Posted on 19/07/2020 16:31 by DavidKlyne

Where is Peedee when he's needed, I think I am warming to the idea of metered electricitylaughing

Posted on 20/07/2020 08:17

Cheaper to just reduce the amps available before the Bollard tripscool

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