A-Frame Towing Europe

Paul1951 replied on 09/07/2017 18:12

Posted on 09/07/2017 18:12

A-Frame towing in Europe
I know this subject has been covered many times on various forums and I have read most of them.
I have been towing a Citroen C1 behind my Swift Bolero for 4 years now without any issues, but the number of people reporting problems does concern me. The system I use is fully electronic applying the cars brakes in proportion to the motorhome braking, there is a breakaway safety device fitted, all car lighting operate as any caravan or trailer would and it can be reversed without intervention. I believe this system meets all the legal requirements for a trailer hear in the UK.

I also believe that In Europe and Spain especially, the A-Frame assembly is classed as a recovery tool as in a Tow-Dolly or Rigid Tow which can only be used for short distances by licensed agents. These devices have no braking or lighting connection to the towed vehicle.

Now my point is more to do with the Safety and Convenience issue.
I don't think there is any doubt that towing with an A-Frame that meats all legal requirements is more Stable, Safer and more Convenient than using car transport trailer. With the growing number of Club members realising these benefits should the Motorhome and Caravan Club legal team be taking this matter up.
Comments Please.

Lutz replied on 10/07/2017 16:21

Posted on 10/07/2017 16:21

"How does the arrangement apply the brakes on the towed vehicle?"

They don't, It's all done with whatever your towing with.

There can't be many cars weighing less than 750kg which is the limit above which an overrun braking system on the towed vehicle is required by law, so that would nowadays be a killer criterion.

Paul1951 replied on 10/07/2017 16:25

Posted on 10/07/2017 16:25

Lutz

I have read many of your negative comments regarding A-Frames and I agree there has never a legal challenge to the A-Frame Assembly in the UK, but as I understand it the DOT have stated that they consider the A-Frame and Car Assembly to be a Trailer and must meet the legal requirements for such. I know there are a number of A-Frame assemblies that will not meet these legal requirements and I would agree they would be illegal.


Your point about about anchorage points and technical change also do not apply in my case as with the A-Frame removed there is no visible change to the front of the car.

One more point if I fabricate my own trailer or even have one fabricated by a specialist company, would this need to be type approved.

Finally in the UK any challenge to an A-frame assembly that meets all the Trailer requirements would surely need to be brought on the grounds of safety i.e. causing a danger to yourself or other road users.

 

 

Tinwheeler replied on 10/07/2017 16:47

Posted on 10/07/2017 09:37 by EmilysDad

What about the use of A frames intended purely for the recovery of a stranded vehicle? I have one that attaches to the lower radius arms of any vehicle so no modification of the towed vehicle is required. You just need to rawl about on the ground to fit it.

Posted on 10/07/2017 16:47

To the best of my knowledge, MM, they can only be used legally in this country for recovery purposes over short distances.

 

peedee replied on 10/07/2017 17:34

Posted on 10/07/2017 17:34

Lutz, As far as I am aware trailer law states that if the trailer is fitted with brakes then they must be capable of being operated by the towing vehicle so whether a car is less than 750Kgs is irrelevent. It still has to be braked.

Paul, not all A-Frames when removed leave no sign that they are fitted. Car-a-Tow fit a permanent bar to the front of the car which is probably lethal in the event of hitting someone..

peedee

Tammygirl replied on 10/07/2017 18:27

Posted on 10/07/2017 16:25 by Paul1951

Lutz

I have read many of your negative comments regarding A-Frames and I agree there has never a legal challenge to the A-Frame Assembly in the UK, but as I understand it the DOT have stated that they consider the A-Frame and Car Assembly to be a Trailer and must meet the legal requirements for such. I know there are a number of A-Frame assemblies that will not meet these legal requirements and I would agree they would be illegal.


Your point about about anchorage points and technical change also do not apply in my case as with the A-Frame removed there is no visible change to the front of the car.

One more point if I fabricate my own trailer or even have one fabricated by a specialist company, would this need to be type approved.

Finally in the UK any challenge to an A-frame assembly that meets all the Trailer requirements would surely need to be brought on the grounds of safety i.e. causing a danger to yourself or other road users.

 

 

Posted on 10/07/2017 18:27

The answer is YES to having a trailer type approved, we had a trailer fabricated for our 3 wheel scooter. The paperwork was all taken care of by the company who made it, the plate and license number is clear to see on the A frame.

Philnffc replied on 10/07/2017 19:08

Posted on 10/07/2017 19:08

Hi John

 

I have posted on one of your threads on this subject before because I once used an A-Frame here in Spain. With out doubt I think a car on an A-Frame is more stable  then most things I have seen towed here including Caravans but the facts are that the Guardia Civil here don't like A-Frame usage full stop why that is I don't know but when the local police came round to speak to me after being stopped for the fourth time by the Guardia he was very sympathetic but told me under no circumstance's should I use it again because the Traffico had sent him.

Just as an aside to this one of my neighbours tows a cement mixer behind his works van and keeps it SAFE with two lengths of rope, so one rule for the locals and another for us it seems and with Brexit coming shortly your pleas will fall on deaf ears i'm afraid.

EmilysDad replied on 10/07/2017 20:19

Posted on 10/07/2017 15:20 by Lutz

You're right. I haven't used one. The thought of a chain wrapped around the lower radius arm frightens me though, even if the chain is enclosed in a sleeve to protect the radius arms from damage. Surely one would still have to get under the car to see whether the ratchet straps are tight? Without a dedicated attachment point, can't the chain slip and foul the front suspension pivot joints or worse, the brake pipes or brake hoses to the front wheels if the straps aren't done up tight enough? I'd certainly like to see one up close.

How does the arrangement apply the brakes on the towed vehicle?

Posted on 10/07/2017 20:19

You need to see one wink

Paul1951 replied on 10/07/2017 21:19

Posted on 10/07/2017 21:19

Tammygirl

Thanks for a simple and streight forward answer.

I'm obviously well out of date on this subject, the last trailer I had was long before the introduction of type approval (April 2013).

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