So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

JollyKernow replied on 09/03/2019 19:17

Posted on 09/03/2019 17:39 by DSB

I'm afraid I haven't trawled through all the posts in this thread, so I apologise for any repetition.

I think there are a number of issues here.  One important issue is that the Club find it difficult to find land that is available for sites as it is - I think land for aires may be more difficult still.  So much land that becomes available at present seems to be immediately seized upon for housing development.

Also, we do not have a tradition of 'aires' in the UK, and this might well contribute towards any decision to allow aires to be developed by the Club.  The Club has to seek planning if it needs to change any of pitches e.g. if it wants to put in hardstandings - it is subject to local authority approval.  There are also sites on the network which have tent pitches because of local authority requirements.  Any development of 'aires' or similar, similarly would require local authority approval.  Without this tradition, local authorities may look upon aires as more of an inconvenience, especially with a large turnover of vehicles on a daily basis.  It is difficult enough to get approval and land for 'traditional sites'.

The Club is unlikely to develop a site in order to make a financial loss.  Any site requires development and therefore would entail a charge to use and maintain.  It would require staff to run it etc.  I can't honestly see the Club developing a system which would essentially help to separate off caravanners and motorhomers.  Even if a site could be found, it would be very much an 'experiment' and the Club would need to ensure that they could turn such an area in to a conventional site for caravanners and motorhomers, should it fail.  

I would certainly not be a 'free' facility, as it sometimes is in France.  Not only would it cost the Club money (in whatever form it took), but essentially it would need maintenance and site staff.

Personally, I can't see what real benefit could be achieved taking all these things into consideration.  The Club might well be best to continue to develop sites that can be used by caravanners, motorhomers and trailer tenters.

Just my view 

David

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:17

Evening

Well DSB, you could sort of close this thread now that you've given the most factual, honest post that suits the overall majority of this club's members (remember that's what the club does, work for the overall majority)

Just sayingwink

JK

Tinwheeler replied on 09/03/2019 19:17

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:16 by huskydog

Ah , now I know what this thread is about , it's about "over there " is better than here undecided

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:17

No, fancy that! 😯

JVB66 replied on 09/03/2019 19:32

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:16 by huskydog

Ah , now I know what this thread is about , it's about "over there " is better than here undecided

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:32

I knew I had heard similarities  to some other threads,   that,were all of no consequence to the way we all, ( apart  from what as no evidence has ever been forth coming to the contrary a tiny minority want) like to use the sites and our LVs in the UKsurprised

moulesy replied on 09/03/2019 19:37

Posted on 09/03/2019 18:59 by

3 days this week and about 40 in the last 20 years plus much more before that. Probably moe than youwink

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:37

43 nights in 20 years? Hardly authoritative then and about the same for us over the past, say 3 years! smile

Wherenext replied on 09/03/2019 20:18

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:16 by huskydog

Ah , now I know what this thread is about , it's about "over there " is better than here undecided

Posted on 09/03/2019 20:18

With all respect to your tongue in cheek post, HD. No it shouldn't bl***y well be about "over there". A term I'm beginning to hate.

I'm royally ***** about all of these posters who travel abroad comparing these "wonderful" places found abroad. I travel abroad a lot. Have done since we bought our first caravan. When I'm on a campsite in, say, Germany I am not interested about comparing it a CAMC site. I am only interested in whether it serves my needs at that moment in time. When I am on a CL in the UK I am not interested in any other site anywhere! I am only interested in whether it meets my needs for the there and now. The same with CAMC sites. 

I am fed up with people who feel the need to compartmentalise those members who travel abroad versus those who stay at home. Look, they do it different abroad and I don't want the same when I tour the UK. IT'S DIFFERENT. Just enjoy the difference and both camps stop preaching and dividing. 

There are some of us who enjoy both worlds and this forum is once again becoming spiteful, unfortunately a lot like, not just the UK in general but Europe as well.

Once again, unfortunately, those with agendas to push will continue to ignore the facts that many people enjoy our hobby either exclusively in the UK or Abroad or a variety of both and just attack the one that doesn't apply to them.

Btw, I agree that the thread should have been stopped after DSBs post. Says it all.

JVB66 replied on 09/03/2019 20:32

Posted on 09/03/2019 20:18 by Wherenext

With all respect to your tongue in cheek post, HD. No it shouldn't bl***y well be about "over there". A term I'm beginning to hate.

I'm royally ***** about all of these posters who travel abroad comparing these "wonderful" places found abroad. I travel abroad a lot. Have done since we bought our first caravan. When I'm on a campsite in, say, Germany I am not interested about comparing it a CAMC site. I am only interested in whether it serves my needs at that moment in time. When I am on a CL in the UK I am not interested in any other site anywhere! I am only interested in whether it meets my needs for the there and now. The same with CAMC sites. 

I am fed up with people who feel the need to compartmentalise those members who travel abroad versus those who stay at home. Look, they do it different abroad and I don't want the same when I tour the UK. IT'S DIFFERENT. Just enjoy the difference and both camps stop preaching and dividing. 

There are some of us who enjoy both worlds and this forum is once again becoming spiteful, unfortunately a lot like, not just the UK in general but Europe as well.

Once again, unfortunately, those with agendas to push will continue to ignore the facts that many people enjoy our hobby either exclusively in the UK or Abroad or a variety of both and just attack the one that doesn't apply to them.

Btw, I agree that the thread should have been stopped after DSBs post. Says it all.

Posted on 09/03/2019 20:32

I agree, we have had our times beyond our shoreswink,and now enjoy doing the UK ,England mostly, but am not prepared to "Preached"at that some try to make out that there is only one area that is nevania and in their blinked outlook is not in this islandundecided

JayOutdoors replied on 09/03/2019 20:43

Posted on 09/03/2019 19:16 by huskydog

Ah , now I know what this thread is about , it's about "over there " is better than here undecided

Posted on 09/03/2019 20:43

IMHO it's just different over there .  I hope HO comes along soon with some sort of info regarding the points raised in this discussion   Rowena said she would tell them about this discussion. 

nelliethehooker replied on 09/03/2019 20:47

Posted on 09/03/2019 15:33 by

It was mostly about Brexit and how it will affect our travel over here and theirs to the UK, but the rules prevent me from relating that part of the conversation.  Sad really as it was much more interesting than CC Ltd and their basic campsites.

Posted on 09/03/2019 20:47

Why keep posting on here then, DD? Nowt better to do I guess.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 09/03/2019 20:55

Posted on 09/03/2019 20:18 by Wherenext

With all respect to your tongue in cheek post, HD. No it shouldn't bl***y well be about "over there". A term I'm beginning to hate.

I'm royally ***** about all of these posters who travel abroad comparing these "wonderful" places found abroad. I travel abroad a lot. Have done since we bought our first caravan. When I'm on a campsite in, say, Germany I am not interested about comparing it a CAMC site. I am only interested in whether it serves my needs at that moment in time. When I am on a CL in the UK I am not interested in any other site anywhere! I am only interested in whether it meets my needs for the there and now. The same with CAMC sites. 

I am fed up with people who feel the need to compartmentalise those members who travel abroad versus those who stay at home. Look, they do it different abroad and I don't want the same when I tour the UK. IT'S DIFFERENT. Just enjoy the difference and both camps stop preaching and dividing. 

There are some of us who enjoy both worlds and this forum is once again becoming spiteful, unfortunately a lot like, not just the UK in general but Europe as well.

Once again, unfortunately, those with agendas to push will continue to ignore the facts that many people enjoy our hobby either exclusively in the UK or Abroad or a variety of both and just attack the one that doesn't apply to them.

Btw, I agree that the thread should have been stopped after DSBs post. Says it all.

Posted on 09/03/2019 20:55

Well put WN👍🏻

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