So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

replied on 07/03/2019 19:07

Posted on 07/03/2019 18:42 by JVB66

Blue sky thinking again?certainly not real life in the uksurprised

Ps unless  ANPR cameras are calibrated as per govenment run then as we have found and had qualified, they are not good in a lot of situations ,the new ones on the park here are not correct at times, as our tesco at home

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KjellNN replied on 07/03/2019 19:20

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:20

As a caravanner who tours both here and over there, I can understand why many  MH owners and indeed some caravan owners feel that the club could consider  making provision for short overnight stops on "no frills" pitches at a lesser cost than a "full" pitch.

It is not just MHers that do not need a full pitch every time they stop, caravanners who do a night stop on a longer journey likely only want to eat and sleep and carry on with their trip. They do not need a large pitch where there is room to put up an awning, nor facilities like laundry or children's play area.

The "quick stop" system is very popular in Scandinavia, usually you arrive after 8 or 9pm and leave by 8 or 9am. The designated area where you can park is usually grass, just inside the site, and may be some distance from the facilities, though they are still available to you if you wish.  There is invariably EHU available at extra cost.

While MH aires as in France are pretty much only for MHs, in Germany there are aires where caravans are also permitted, and there are many sites in various countries where there is an aire style stopping area just beside or just inside the main site.  If the Club were to make provision, then this is one solution they could consider.  We have stayed on one such site in Germany, near the AustrIan border.

Like many sites in popular areas, it had a large parking area just at the entrance, but outside the barrier.  Two sides of this area were marked out with these pitches, each had 6 amp EHU available.  They were more spacious than the pitches on most aires, but still not the 6m spacing required by the Club, more like 3m.

 If you had a caravan, you parked your car opposite your pitch, along with all the other cars. There was access to the main site to fetch water and empty waste and toilet, and you could use all the facilities, though it was a bit of a hike.  We used our own facilities.  The price was roughly half that of a full pitch on the site with 16amp EHU.

This set up would of course mean losing some full pitches, but with closer spacing, more units could be catered for, thus keeping income roughly the same.  

Why do we need 6m spacing in UK when the rest of Europe seems to be fine with much less?

Cornersteady replied on 07/03/2019 19:24

Posted on 07/03/2019 18:07 by young thomas

now, that's the second time you've been really personal today, and the third in recent times.....and, of course,wrong...as usual.

my daughter has never been on a cc site....

yes, I advocated cars being in car parks (away from the race track) but I know this doesn't happen, hence my question.

do you spend all day practicing being like you are or does it come naturally?

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:24

no need to be rude at all BB, shameundecided.

I do remember you saying your daughter was visiting you when pregnant? and couldn't mange the walk from the car park?

ring any bells (see what I did there)

moulesy replied on 07/03/2019 19:29

Posted on 07/03/2019 18:24 by young thomas
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Posted on 07/03/2019 19:29

My word - and to think you were complaining about Corners being rude, BB! Happy to dish it out but not so keen on being on the receiving end eh? undecided

PS - haven't used a bell or buzzer for many years now, I thought I'd made that clear?

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Cornersteady replied on 07/03/2019 19:31

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:20 by KjellNN

As a caravanner who tours both here and over there, I can understand why many  MH owners and indeed some caravan owners feel that the club could consider  making provision for short overnight stops on "no frills" pitches at a lesser cost than a "full" pitch.

It is not just MHers that do not need a full pitch every time they stop, caravanners who do a night stop on a longer journey likely only want to eat and sleep and carry on with their trip. They do not need a large pitch where there is room to put up an awning, nor facilities like laundry or children's play area.

The "quick stop" system is very popular in Scandinavia, usually you arrive after 8 or 9pm and leave by 8 or 9am. The designated area where you can park is usually grass, just inside the site, and may be some distance from the facilities, though they are still available to you if you wish.  There is invariably EHU available at extra cost.

While MH aires as in France are pretty much only for MHs, in Germany there are aires where caravans are also permitted, and there are many sites in various countries where there is an aire style stopping area just beside or just inside the main site.  If the Club were to make provision, then this is one solution they could consider.  We have stayed on one such site in Germany, near the AustrIan border.

Like many sites in popular areas, it had a large parking area just at the entrance, but outside the barrier.  Two sides of this area were marked out with these pitches, each had 6 amp EHU available.  They were more spacious than the pitches on most aires, but still not the 6m spacing required by the Club, more like 3m.

 If you had a caravan, you parked your car opposite your pitch, along with all the other cars. There was access to the main site to fetch water and empty waste and toilet, and you could use all the facilities, though it was a bit of a hike.  We used our own facilities.  The price was roughly half that of a full pitch on the site with 16amp EHU.

This set up would of course mean losing some full pitches, but with closer spacing, more units could be catered for, thus keeping income roughly the same.  

Why do we need 6m spacing in UK when the rest of Europe seems to be fine with much less?

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:31

I have stopped at a club site overnight on my way to the 'full holiday one', we would arrive about 5 and leave by 9 the next morning. On a really hot stay we didn't even plug in the EHU. (yes risky I know but sometimes I play the wildcard)

As you said I did not need anything but a pitch, but I would never have thought about wanting that pitch for less, how selfish is that? If I had wanted a cheaper stay I would have used a CL (or worse).

However I didn't and I wanted to stay on a club site so rather than expect a cheaper price I paid the amount due.  

Why do we need 6m spacing in UK when the rest of Europe seems to be fine with much less?

probably because we have laws/guidelines governing fire safety on caravan sites.

moulesy replied on 07/03/2019 19:34

Posted on 07/03/2019 18:01 by

The headline question was "what did the club ever do for motorcaravanners?".  The answer is clearly nothing, zilch, nada, etc.; other than to waste about £3m changing its trading name of course.  It didn't even change its registered name 😕.  

 

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:34

You're obviously well out of it then, DD! smile

moulesy replied on 07/03/2019 19:38

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:24 by Cornersteady

no need to be rude at all BB, shameundecided.

I do remember you saying your daughter was visiting you when pregnant? and couldn't mange the walk from the car park?

ring any bells (see what I did there)

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:38

Corners - really! That was either Sandy Balls or Crealy I believe. You know, one of those basic low facility sites BB likes to use! (Might even have been Concierge!) wink

(Just a little gentle ribbing there,  BB, no need to take offence.) smile

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Posted on 07/03/2019 18:20 by JVB66

For what seems the majority of motor caravanners that use this clubs. sites , with the on going purchase of run down sites and the amount of money it is costing to refurbish them and still upgrade existing sites, also as is posted so many times unable to book a pitch as sites being full, then it seems the it is catering for all types of LVs as per any inclusive members club

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JVB66 replied on 07/03/2019 19:44

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:38 by

That does not answer the question.  

Posted on 07/03/2019 19:44

Probably not to non members, but then why should members who of All types of RV flock to club sites think your question has any credence surprised 

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