So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

Rufs replied on 05/03/2019 15:37

Posted on 05/03/2019 14:37 by JVB66

But we have and the waste dump point was c++P without a lift off  cover, hopefully it has now been amongst the miriad of works that are/were needed to bring the site to a decent standardwink

Posted on 05/03/2019 15:37

nothing wrong with Bingham Grange pre CAMC, no doubt post CAMC it is now being shaped into the sterile world of the CAMC , and that is why i probably will not use the site again.

replied on 05/03/2019 15:57

Posted on 05/03/2019 15:05 by JVB66

More expence that some will expect the club to modify dump points surprised

Posted on 05/03/2019 15:57

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ATDel replied on 05/03/2019 16:20

Posted on 05/03/2019 11:19 by JVB66

Some of us have seen the type of wastewater disposal you seem to e usingundecided

Posted on 05/03/2019 16:20

And given them some polite feedback for disposing their waste water all over the site Road !!

young thomas replied on 05/03/2019 16:53

Posted on 05/03/2019 09:16 by Rocky 2 buckets

From what I’ve read on forums I think the majority of aires users have come to expect low costs. I would expect a costly ‘car park’ to be ignored. I for one would never invest in such a gamble & i’d expect councils to think the same, particularly so if they’re seeking an enterprise partner☹️

Posted on 05/03/2019 16:53

rocky, for the 'council' approach, I would have expected a change of use of a few car bays to convert to MHbays, as in my earlier picture, albeit with a tad more spacing...

many car parks are virtually unused at night, so any revenue from a few vans (upto £10 a night in the right place) would soon offset the remaining of a few lines...

young thomas replied on 05/03/2019 17:02

Posted on 05/03/2019 09:29 by JVB66

In the UK it seems, that there is a mindset that the orange lead is vital even on LNAs if EHU is there it is used,so any aire unless a maximum stay of say two nights will all require water,waste(must be large drive overwink)  toilet emptying and EHU which would not be "cheap" to set up or usesurprised and unless there is a very strong security then there will be "problems"

And even sites with Barriers are it seem now getting more "problems" with some "arrivals"as noted on our second home where add barriers have had to be installed (losing the LNA) and outside security staff when the other "tourists" have been moved on from where they last moved insurprised

Posted on 05/03/2019 17:02

I agaree, why not impose a maximum, perhaps 2 nights, as you say...

..but have a ticket, like a car park, makes it easy then identify overstayers...just get the warden to check as he already does with the cars.....and as is done in some French aires.

also, 48hrs would certainly mean no need for EHU and the additional costs....

perhaps one 'stall' in a nearby public loo could be converted to become a CCEP....after all, who actually uses those (often) dirty places, anyway?

many vans go much much longer between services..

very many of the 'aires' in Europe are 'without services'....folk still use them if they're priced correctly and in the right place...

but it has to be a fair bargain...you can't charge full fat campsite prices if not providing something for that fee....

young thomas replied on 05/03/2019 17:06

Posted on 05/03/2019 10:45 by Cornersteady

no sadly, as it would help out MH at the expense of caravanners he is all for it

Posted on 05/03/2019 17:06

I think you'll find HE suggested any such changes would be for the benefit of all members....wink

 

DavidKlyne replied on 05/03/2019 17:06

Posted on 05/03/2019 11:25 by JVB66

Have they got black waste drains as well not seen one on a club site

Posted on 05/03/2019 17:06

Chester Fairoaks now has an open grid for waste water and two covered drains for Black Waste, clearly marked. Unfortunately the picture is a bit small but if you right click and open in its own window you can see it more clearly.

David

young thomas replied on 05/03/2019 17:12

Posted on 05/03/2019 08:15 by JollyKernow

Morning

You've not been having a sneaky chat with JVB have you BB? Insider info and all that!!

Most club site staff start back to work this weekend so there's bound to be someone more knowledgeable than I to comment. I think I mentione earlier about our input?wink

JK

Posted on 05/03/2019 17:12

intrigued....wink

JVB66 replied on 05/03/2019 17:16

Posted on 05/03/2019 15:37 by Rufs

nothing wrong with Bingham Grange pre CAMC, no doubt post CAMC it is now being shaped into the sterile world of the CAMC , and that is why i probably will not use the site again.

Posted on 05/03/2019 17:16

If you have been to Bingham Grange then your post about "nothing wrong "means that you must have not noted the complete lack of basic water and waste  points in the lower  area of the site ,the very "basic" ccep, and almost non existant  motor caravan emptying point ,the upper part was so packed in with pitches that at times to access /exit some it would mean the next pitch  having to move,the only saving grace of the site were "some?" of the washrooms and the good dog walk

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