So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

nelliethehooker replied on 17/03/2019 20:56

Posted on 17/03/2019 17:54 by mickysf

Recently saw a motorhome on an adjacent service pitch using that tap and his hose to fill his tank. Saw little wrong with this, it's the same water, I guess if that pitch had been occupied then it would be rightly unacceptable. Saw other caravaners filling their water hogs and kettles at vacant service pitches too. 

Posted on 17/03/2019 20:56

Saw other caravanners filling their water hogs and kettles at vacant service pitches too.

On the very rare occasions that we've been on a site with serviced pitches I've done that, and also used the M/H facilities, when they have not been in use, to fill barrels and empty waste.

mickysf replied on 17/03/2019 21:43

Posted on 17/03/2019 21:43

I would like to see Park & Rides make spaces available to overnighters. I'm sure they could find a way of making them work if the will was there. 

Navigateur replied on 18/03/2019 08:46

Posted on 18/03/2019 08:46

Park & Rides make spaces available to overnighters.

I believe that many have had problems with a different kind of "overnighter". Those who stay for weeks.

mickysf replied on 18/03/2019 09:05

Posted on 18/03/2019 08:46 by Navigateur

Park & Rides make spaces available to overnighters.

I believe that many have had problems with a different kind of "overnighter". Those who stay for weeks.

Posted on 18/03/2019 09:05

Unfortunately, as in many aspects of life we allow the minority to dictate. I'm sure a solution is to be found, it just needs that will and determination. May be insisting single night and not returning within a week (as an overnighters) may help as a starting point for the thought processes.

Navigateur replied on 18/03/2019 09:22

Posted on 18/03/2019 09:22

I'm sure a solution is to be found,

Staffing.

But then the "pitch fee" would become more than the overnighters were willing to pay.

mickysf replied on 18/03/2019 09:33

Posted on 18/03/2019 09:22 by Navigateur

I'm sure a solution is to be found,

Staffing.

But then the "pitch fee" would become more than the overnighters were willing to pay.

Posted on 18/03/2019 09:33

Not necessarily, that too may just possibly be solved with ANPR and strict adherence to prosecuting those who abuse. 

Many aires don't have visible or any overnight staffing.

The solutions may be challenging but as I say all that Is needed is a will and a way!

DSB replied on 18/03/2019 12:28

Posted on 18/03/2019 09:33 by mickysf

Not necessarily, that too may just possibly be solved with ANPR and strict adherence to prosecuting those who abuse. 

Many aires don't have visible or any overnight staffing.

The solutions may be challenging but as I say all that Is needed is a will and a way!

Posted on 18/03/2019 12:28

Apologies, folks.  I seem to have missed lots of the discussion again!

I don't know how much it would cost to install and maintain APNR, but I do sometimes think about this when I visit my local hospital.  Not only are the parking charges extortionate, but the payment machines are often out of action.  There always seems to be someone on site to deal with the malfunctioning APNR - including a voice contact intercom at the barrier.  Would this entail employing an extra person at each location to deal with malfunction or intercom communication, and would this be economically feasible within the knowledge that the usage would be relatively small?  What happens if the system goes wrong and there is no one available to put it right?

Might folk be concerned about 24 hour open access to sites.  CAMC sites are already different to some site providers in allowing 24 access to many sites when you are staying on the site.  I think I'm right in saying that the C&CC aqnd some private sites wont allow access after 10pm?

Would using parking spaces/ late night arrival spaces as supplementary pitches require change of use planning?  

I don't know the answer to these questions - just being 'devils advocate', but I guess that these are questions that will be asked should any of these suggestions be taken forward.

David

Navigateur replied on 18/03/2019 12:33

Posted on 18/03/2019 12:33

One of the wonders of the Internet is that you can use it to purchase a plate with any registration mark you choose for probably less effort than it takes to go out and steal a set.

So ANPR deters only honest people - just like locks!

Tinwheeler replied on 18/03/2019 12:56

Posted on 18/03/2019 09:05 by mickysf

Unfortunately, as in many aspects of life we allow the minority to dictate. I'm sure a solution is to be found, it just needs that will and determination. May be insisting single night and not returning within a week (as an overnighters) may help as a starting point for the thought processes.

Posted on 18/03/2019 12:56

"Unfortunately, as in many aspects of life we allow the minority to dictate."

That rings a bell. 🙁

mickysf replied on 18/03/2019 14:59

Posted on 18/03/2019 12:56 by Tinwheeler

"Unfortunately, as in many aspects of life we allow the minority to dictate."

That rings a bell. 🙁

Posted on 18/03/2019 14:59

Oh yes, thing is that majority want 'it' but they themselves can't agree what 'it' looks like!wink

I reckon the majority of us want single night bookings, we just can't agree what that should be. The sticking point is what you get for your money for some.

Funny thing though is that we already have 'it' on every site on the network we just all pay the same for the stipulated facilities and services provided.surprised

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