Would It Work ? – Open for sensible debate.

JohnM20 replied on 18/07/2017 16:50

Posted on 18/07/2017 16:50

With so many people complaining about the frenzied booking when the system opens in early December I thought I would try to suggest a solution for those not able to book so early due to work or other restrictions. Whilst I don’t fall foul of the system so much now, I have done in the past when works holiday dates could not be booked until well into the new year and especially when trying to include a weekend. 

Would it work if every site allowed only 50% of their pitches to be booked at any time from the December booking date with the remaining 50% not being bookable until no more than 2 months before the planned visit date?  Most people, I think, should be able to work around this for planned main holidays. This should accommodate those that must fully book their year in advance and those that cannot.

 I’m sure, (he says, tongue firmly in cheek), that the IT department could tweek the online booking program to accommodate this.

 Whether it is a workable solution I don’t know, it’s just a germ of an idea to solve what is a problem for many members but remains fair to all. There may be an obvious reason why it wouldn’t work that is staring me in the face but I haven’t seen it. I’m sure someone will point it out if there is one.

 Contrary to what some are against and reject out of hand, I think deposits would be a good idea. I cannot understand why some people are so against them unless they are seriously worried about losing them. The site fees have to be paid at some time so why not spread the cost?  There are many things in life that require a deposit, caravans and motorhomes being a good example.

 With the current system there must be some members who book very early but know that they may well change their mind closer to the date, although I doubt that any would admit to this. I personally know one couple who regularly cancel bookings, not necessarily at the last minute but nonetheless may have deprived someone else from being able to book and they have to consequently look for an alternative site. Non-refundable deposits would reduce this sort of behaviour I believe.

 I guess I will receive some flak but it would be nice to have a sensible debate.

mickysf replied on 07/12/2017 13:18

Posted on 07/12/2017 12:35 by John4703

I was meaning more space for everyone Tinwheeler not just me.  I have heard of people booking several sites and then cancelling most of them at the last minute.  That leaves site booked for months and then empty spaces at the last minute.  

A deposit might reduce the number of last minute cancellations and make it easier for everyone to book. 

Posted on 07/12/2017 13:18

Theoretically it is possible I guess but I'd also guess that the number who do this are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Certainly not worth changing a system for. You can never please all the people all the time and there will always be exceptions, at least the present system is transparent and fair in its intentions.

JVB66 replied on 07/12/2017 13:57

Posted on 07/12/2017 13:57

The "complaint? " from a few who think that "block booking"then ends up with short notice pitches appearing on sites that show "full"are it seems, not aware of how the sites network is managed by the warden staff,for the good of the majority of the membership, i have through our retired warden friends and their colleagues,seen first hand what goes on to keep as many pitches available "to let"and the completely wrong idea that short notice cancellations are to blame,the majority of pitches let it seems,at short notice are coming out of repaired or, "not now so wet shall we chance it" ,to make as many as possible available for the w/end,(late availability )which are then taken out again on the Sundays to give more chance of recovery,or another cenario is if a bollard is unusable and then the contractors have been able put it or a replacement back in use,there are even more reasons that pitches suddenly"appear on previosly "full"sites

All the above is true and wardens do know that some members need short notice breaks which all the above helps via the Late Availabilty  thread and even a call to a sitewink

compass362 replied on 07/12/2017 14:18

Posted on 07/12/2017 14:18

That's it another Booking Day over , despite all the usual speculation of block bookers , one nighters , two nighters  , retired members spoiling members from booking weekends , full weeks & what ever you care to mention if you don't get what you want , its always someone , or something that other members have done .

I posted the day before D Day , that only 10% to 15% of all  pitch availability for the next year is taken up & booked on booking day , have a look today there is loads of availability even some of the most popular sites still have weekends (Chatsworth)

One post stood out yesterday , it was one member who had booked several sites .....from a ship in the Bay of Biscay  yesterday morning , how ironic that some members didn't or couldn't book anything ....because the system doesn't work ....I think it does .

All the hype about booking day is just that ....HYPE with patience & the right internet connection & device even my 4 year old great grand son could manage my bookings.😇

12 months & it all starts again 😁look on the bright side 👍

Tinwheeler replied on 07/12/2017 14:23

Posted on 07/12/2017 12:35 by John4703

I was meaning more space for everyone Tinwheeler not just me.  I have heard of people booking several sites and then cancelling most of them at the last minute.  That leaves site booked for months and then empty spaces at the last minute.  

A deposit might reduce the number of last minute cancellations and make it easier for everyone to book. 

Posted on 07/12/2017 14:23

It’s all hearsay with no proof I’m afraid and if deposits are taken there will likely be more no shows. The club has said there are fewer cancellations now than when deposits were taken.

scoutman replied on 07/12/2017 14:42

Posted on 07/12/2017 14:18 by compass362

That's it another Booking Day over , despite all the usual speculation of block bookers , one nighters , two nighters  , retired members spoiling members from booking weekends , full weeks & what ever you care to mention if you don't get what you want , its always someone , or something that other members have done .

I posted the day before D Day , that only 10% to 15% of all  pitch availability for the next year is taken up & booked on booking day , have a look today there is loads of availability even some of the most popular sites still have weekends (Chatsworth)

One post stood out yesterday , it was one member who had booked several sites .....from a ship in the Bay of Biscay  yesterday morning , how ironic that some members didn't or couldn't book anything ....because the system doesn't work ....I think it does .

All the hype about booking day is just that ....HYPE with patience & the right internet connection & device even my 4 year old great grand son could manage my bookings.😇

12 months & it all starts again 😁look on the bright side 👍

Posted on 07/12/2017 14:42

So true!

Navigateur replied on 07/12/2017 14:49

Posted on 07/12/2017 14:49

The "Club" must make a profit on every pitch night booked. That average nominal figure is what the nightly deposit should be. If someone turns up to use the booking, then the rest of the fee pays for the actual costs.  If no-one turns up then the pitch could be relet at full price, so Club makes two lots of profit and covers costs.

The only thing I see standing in the way is that the current IT system could not handle the money. In fact, were deposits not abandoned at about the same time the IT started to go silly . . . . ?

SamRo replied on 07/12/2017 20:55

Posted on 07/12/2017 20:55

As with everything there are winners and losers. Bods like me lose out because schools don't publish exact holiday dates far enough ahead, work only plans 6 months ahead etc.  

Not an issue that's life and there are many good sites in nearby locations, some better and cheaper. However, when I retire I'll be expecting my CMC pitch clear of families early on a Sunday afternoon, or is that another thread?wink

IMOH The sad part of the whole process is this. On the honeypot sites like Chatsworth, Rowntree, Palace, Bristol etc it's hard to get a booking a couple of months in advance to suit school and work, clearly not just a problem for some just on F***** Day.

Solution; I 'phone on a Wednesday and I can usually get in for the weekend. Why? Because the kindly block bookers' car has broken down, hamster died or they have a 6kg CalorLite bottle that they can't exchange. (In last year Chatsworth twice, Rowntree thrice and Palace just the once, but only called once).

I thought that this was how the CMC reserved sites for working families of school age or have I got it wrong?

compass362 replied on 08/12/2017 09:19

Posted on 07/12/2017 20:55 by SamRo

As with everything there are winners and losers. Bods like me lose out because schools don't publish exact holiday dates far enough ahead, work only plans 6 months ahead etc.  

Not an issue that's life and there are many good sites in nearby locations, some better and cheaper. However, when I retire I'll be expecting my CMC pitch clear of families early on a Sunday afternoon, or is that another thread?wink

IMOH The sad part of the whole process is this. On the honeypot sites like Chatsworth, Rowntree, Palace, Bristol etc it's hard to get a booking a couple of months in advance to suit school and work, clearly not just a problem for some just on F***** Day.

Solution; I 'phone on a Wednesday and I can usually get in for the weekend. Why? Because the kindly block bookers' car has broken down, hamster died or they have a 6kg CalorLite bottle that they can't exchange. (In last year Chatsworth twice, Rowntree thrice and Palace just the once, but only called once).

I thought that this was how the CMC reserved sites for working families of school age or have I got it wrong?

Posted on 08/12/2017 09:19

Perhaps better luck next year .....perhaps the booking system will have been changed / altered . 👍

replied on 08/12/2017 09:22

Posted on 08/12/2017 09:22

Guess what! Honeypot sites will still get booked up smile

JVB66 replied on 08/12/2017 13:10

Posted on 07/12/2017 20:55 by SamRo

As with everything there are winners and losers. Bods like me lose out because schools don't publish exact holiday dates far enough ahead, work only plans 6 months ahead etc.  

Not an issue that's life and there are many good sites in nearby locations, some better and cheaper. However, when I retire I'll be expecting my CMC pitch clear of families early on a Sunday afternoon, or is that another thread?wink

IMOH The sad part of the whole process is this. On the honeypot sites like Chatsworth, Rowntree, Palace, Bristol etc it's hard to get a booking a couple of months in advance to suit school and work, clearly not just a problem for some just on F***** Day.

Solution; I 'phone on a Wednesday and I can usually get in for the weekend. Why? Because the kindly block bookers' car has broken down, hamster died or they have a 6kg CalorLite bottle that they can't exchange. (In last year Chatsworth twice, Rowntree thrice and Palace just the once, but only called once).

I thought that this was how the CMC reserved sites for working families of school age or have I got it wrong?

Posted on 08/12/2017 13:10

Where we are the school term dates are available about one year if not more ahead;via our county council website and have been for years,thats how we have planned our holidays to take grandchildren,wink

Ps and since they have gone on their own holidays to miss term timescool

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