Not very family friendly club

BJHOW replied on 19/11/2018 15:28

Posted on 19/11/2018 15:28

We have been members for a number of years as is our son and his family. They live in Stockton on Tees and store their van at Whitewater Park which is only a few minutes from their home. As we live in Lincolnshire we often use Whitewater for family get togethers. Whitewater is a beautiful site with friendly and helpful wardens but...... 

When we visit we like to pitch together so that our grandchildren can move freely between their parents unit and our own.  Sadly club rules make this a difficult exercise when the site is busy (as it usually is!) Not being allowed to book or reserve a particular pitch means that we have to try and arrange taking one van out of storage and arriving from Lincolnshire at exactly the same time. Not easy. So please please can the club look at having some arrangement whereby families who want to pitch together can be accommodated?

replied on 05/12/2018 13:48

Posted on 05/12/2018 13:28 by JVB66

Because some of the "members" are quite open about itsurprised 

Posted on 05/12/2018 13:48

You do not have to be registered disabled in order to request a pitch close to facilities. I have never requested on a club site but I have a couple of times on an independent site. My request has been to be within 100 yds of a shower block as that is a distance that I can walk without a stick. 

JVB66 replied on 05/12/2018 14:03

Posted on 05/12/2018 13:48 by

You do not have to be registered disabled in order to request a pitch close to facilities. I have never requested on a club site but I have a couple of times on an independent site. My request has been to be within 100 yds of a shower block as that is a distance that I can walk without a stick. 

Posted on 05/12/2018 14:03

The "members"in question do not have any mobility problems but just put on their booking forms that a pitch near the facilities is required,it is evidently doing the "rounds" as some "members" realise that no one will question the request, and also as radar keys are easy to obtain   now they  also have a full facility bathroom close at handfrown

mickysf replied on 06/12/2018 19:30

Posted on 05/12/2018 12:31 by

You do not have to take any pitch reserved for you Micky. You are still free to choose from any available pitch. The same applies to any pitch reserved for a larger outfit if another is suitable. It simply means that there is at least one that is likely to be suitable. 

Posted on 06/12/2018 19:30

Yes, they don't have to take that allocated pitch, they can go elsewhere but if they choose elsewhere, ifanything else is available, I guess that out of courtesy the wardens should be informed asap to make it available to all once more. My point really was as the club really doesn't have disabled pitches and are not obliged to provide them on very busy sites where little if any choice would be available to meet the specific needs of the individual the allocated pitch system helps as best possible. Don't think this is quite the same as reserving pitches at all as its not a given and the member does not choose a pitch, that is done for them from what is available on morning of arrival. As for those who abuse the system well why let them dictate? To be fair that allocated pitch may be close to the toilets but in my opinion it may also be amongst some of the least desirable pitches on most sites for that and several other reasons. Afterall, we are not talking about reserving the best pitches just allocating those that meet the criteria be it long vehicle or close to toilets. Afterall, If they are amongst the last in on that busy site they may well have to take that allocated pitch.

CJDM replied on 06/12/2018 20:24

Posted on 06/12/2018 20:24

Overall this is a reflection of how people are and always have been.  Some people are rude, behave badly and don't care what others think whilst others are the opposite.  Some people moan, some don't.  Some are always positive and some are just downright miserable. This happens at work, in the shops - everywhere in fact, so holidays are not an exception (unfortunately).

This applies to adults and children.  It's a reflection of what we, as a species are like.

If you are the negative side of the above then please just find a field to stay in on your open and don't go anywhere. 

mickysf replied on 06/12/2018 20:36

Posted on 06/12/2018 20:24 by CJDM

Overall this is a reflection of how people are and always have been.  Some people are rude, behave badly and don't care what others think whilst others are the opposite.  Some people moan, some don't.  Some are always positive and some are just downright miserable. This happens at work, in the shops - everywhere in fact, so holidays are not an exception (unfortunately).

This applies to adults and children.  It's a reflection of what we, as a species are like.

If you are the negative side of the above then please just find a field to stay in on your open and don't go anywhere. 

Posted on 06/12/2018 20:36

Very true and we should not let 'them' change the way we wish to be open, inclusive, fair and remain positive. smile

rayjsj replied on 06/12/2018 22:18

Posted on 05/12/2018 13:18 by Tinwheeler

How can they know that in view of the fact that disabilities are not always visible? yell

Posted on 06/12/2018 22:18

Simple, show Blue Badge to qualify for a pitch guranteed to be near the facilities.....I always thought that was the rules anyway ?

Tinwheeler replied on 06/12/2018 22:27

Posted on 06/12/2018 22:18 by rayjsj

Simple, show Blue Badge to qualify for a pitch guranteed to be near the facilities.....I always thought that was the rules anyway ?

Posted on 06/12/2018 22:27

As I suggested earlier, it could be a way of countering abuse if it should become a problem. 

Currently, I believe the wardens are instructed not to enquire into someone's need for an accessible pitch or use of disabled facilities. That’s a stance I agree with as it really is no one else’s business but if a few people sadly ruin things for others, I can see that proof of eligibility might be a way forward.

Having said that, we should remember that, not only are some disabilities invisible, but some issues necessitating close proximity to facilities will not entitle the sufferer to hold a blue badge so I really hope the club does not find it necessary to take that route.

KjellNN replied on 06/12/2018 23:07

Posted on 06/12/2018 23:07

Well said TW.

My OH is not registered as disabled, even though she has several problems which most of us would not wish to have to live with.

We do request a pitch close to the facilities as she needs me to help her  shower and we need to take extra stuff with us and a folding table to use in the disabled room.

But to look at her, on a good day, you would never know she had any problems.

Disability is not just related to mobility problems.

replied on 06/12/2018 23:26

Posted on 06/12/2018 22:18 by rayjsj

Simple, show Blue Badge to qualify for a pitch guranteed to be near the facilities.....I always thought that was the rules anyway ?

Posted on 06/12/2018 23:26

Thankfully not the rules Ray. I need not say more

replied on 06/12/2018 23:36

Posted on 06/12/2018 19:30 by mickysf

Yes, they don't have to take that allocated pitch, they can go elsewhere but if they choose elsewhere, ifanything else is available, I guess that out of courtesy the wardens should be informed asap to make it available to all once more. My point really was as the club really doesn't have disabled pitches and are not obliged to provide them on very busy sites where little if any choice would be available to meet the specific needs of the individual the allocated pitch system helps as best possible. Don't think this is quite the same as reserving pitches at all as its not a given and the member does not choose a pitch, that is done for them from what is available on morning of arrival. As for those who abuse the system well why let them dictate? To be fair that allocated pitch may be close to the toilets but in my opinion it may also be amongst some of the least desirable pitches on most sites for that and several other reasons. Afterall, we are not talking about reserving the best pitches just allocating those that meet the criteria be it long vehicle or close to toilets. Afterall, If they are amongst the last in on that busy site they may well have to take that allocated pitch.

Posted on 06/12/2018 23:36

In my experience the wardens generally earmark a pitch for a less able person a dew days before their arrival, I have certainly been asked a couple of times a few days before departure if I will be moving on or extending a stay and the warden has placed a suitable marker behind my pitch ahead of my departure.

 

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