Covid 19 and membership

marsdensear replied on 22/03/2020 23:58

Posted on 22/03/2020 23:58

As all sites and CC approved sites have been suspended for 3 months (30th June) are we to expect the CMHC to suspend all memberships for 3 months.? My membership is due in July so I'm a bit loathed to not be able to use it and go anywhere only to be hit with a renewal as the suspension is lifted.

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replied on 13/04/2020 00:27

Posted on 12/04/2020 23:54 by KjellNN

Unfortunately not ET.

I have my company pension, paid in £ here, and my less than full GB State Pension, also of course fixed in £s, but then I have my usually quite generous Norwegian State Pension, which goes a good way to making up my reduced U.K. pension, but which has fallen through the floor due to plummeting oil prices affecting the Norwegian krone.  it has never been this low against the £ in my memory.

 

 

Posted on 13/04/2020 00:27

Ah, I had not realised. I knew that you studied over here in UK and lived the rest of your life here and thought that any Norwegian pension would have been small as a result. To be down £100 a month must mean that the pension from Norway is significant.

I am fortunate in that the £7,770 UK pension is really not needed nor is the £6,900 of Fliss' state pension

replied on 13/04/2020 00:30

Posted on 12/04/2020 23:46 by Cornersteady

most? opposite with me as many subs are still being paid and they do expect it. But we are not talking about providing a core service are we, we are talking about a membership fee. To me totally different. 

So what core service? An interesting point. There is nothing when joining the club and paying for membership that states any core service will be provided is there?  Especially when circumstances outside of the club's control, would people expect their membership extended when flooding happens you could ask? Or why not a reduced membership price for when more than half the sites are closed over winter

A lot of posters join for other things than using sites we are often told.

But it is all very very easy, either support the club at this time or not, everyone has to make their own mind up based on their own particular situation.

Again we're hopefully talking about 3 months or £12.50, not a great deal, if it's more than that then perhaps?

Posted on 13/04/2020 00:30

But we are not talking about providing a core service are we

Yes we are. The core service of the CMC is to provide sites for members and that is something that they are unable to do. What did you consider their primary function??

replied on 13/04/2020 00:34

Posted on 13/04/2020 00:11 by Cornersteady

then we agree, goodsmile

Again what main service, if you mean using a club site no one is paying pitch fees so that is that taken care of, but if my view the membership fee is totally different, as stated above to ET. 

Once again undecided I am not saying anyone should pay, that is up to them. Personally I want to help the club get through this as I like using club sites and want them there after all this and understand the club has ongoing costs.  

But as I've stated so many times, if one doesn't want to pay then don't. If there is a way to get your membership fee back (is there?) then by all means get it back asap or don't rejoin if your renewal is within the 3 months.

Posted on 13/04/2020 00:34

Again what main service, if you mean using a club site no one is paying pitch fees so that is that taken care of, but if my view the membership fee is totally different, as stated above to ET. 

The reason that I and many others pay an annual sub to CMC is for access to sites. That access is not available. 

KjellNN replied on 13/04/2020 00:57

Posted on 12/04/2020 20:35 by Cornersteady

CS, the fact the Club has bills to pay, does not mean that members should feel obliged to keep paying membership fees while receiving nothing in return

I really think it is up to members to decide that for themselves and i have nowhere told people what they should do or feel obliged to do, unlike perhaps yourself. I have merely stated that I wish the club to be here when all this over, it has bills it need paying, and asking for a refund or extended membership worth £12.50 is incongruous with that but you feel otherwise and that is fine. When the times comes do not rejoin.

And again you keep mentioning this nothing in return yet you would expect, god forbid, if you had to call on the cover you have with the club that that cover would be dealt with effectively. Yet those staff who are on hand to deal with your case, and others need paying, or are they doing it for nothing? Until you leave the club's cover you need those staff don't you?

You post on CT and perhaps do a booking? Again do you consider (no matter how much you think little of this site) that to use this to costs nothing? it has to be maintained? you want your booking to go through? Again the magazine, does that cost nothing? The advice lines that you might need? Again staff are working for free?

but not everyone is in a good situation.

I have stated numerous times that if anyone is in hardship they should not carry on, without question, but the club is not a charity you would wish it to be. Sad but true.

Posted on 13/04/2020 00:57

At this point, we do not know how long sites will be closed, but 3 months would seem a realistic minimum.  Our membership runs only to the end of   May, so we have only lost the use of sites for a couple of months. Others may in the long run have lost a lot more..

None of this is of course the fault of the Club, but neither is it the fault of the members.  I would not expect the club to refund me money for the time I have not been able to use their sites,  but I do feel it would be reasonable that, like the other club, they would extend membership for at least 3 months as a gesture of at least sharing "the pain" with members.

I am not expecting something for nothing, I have already said that as we have caravan cover we would need to continue our membership.

Bookings?  No, not making any.

Advice?   Not anticipating needing any.  

Posting on here......I can live without that.

Magazine.....I would survive without it, though I do enjoy the crossword, it is just about right for my level of English

Caravan  cover may be the only thing,  but then we will be members if we want to continue that, as we reckon that to have this requires us to be members.

Our membership expires end of May, Caravan cover is  from 23rd July, so if we are to continue with it, it is probably hardly worth all the kerfluffle for 7 weeks of membership.

Jury is however still out on that.

 

KjellNN replied on 13/04/2020 01:23

Posted on 13/04/2020 00:27 by

Ah, I had not realised. I knew that you studied over here in UK and lived the rest of your life here and thought that any Norwegian pension would have been small as a result. To be down £100 a month must mean that the pension from Norway is significant.

I am fortunate in that the £7,770 UK pension is really not needed nor is the £6,900 of Fliss' state pension

Posted on 13/04/2020 01:23

An understandable mistake, however I did work several years in Norway after my studies, and served in the  Norwegian army before studying. 


As OH has many problems, she has not worked but rather been home with our children, an important role of course, and then looking her Mum, so she has almost no pension, other than about £3500  pa, based on my qualifying years.

So, for us, your £7700  + £6900 represents  well over one third of our post tax income.  Having only 37 qualifying years for pension here in U.K., my Norwegian pension, though not huge, does make a significant contribution to our income.

 

cyberyacht replied on 13/04/2020 07:42

Posted on 13/04/2020 07:42

The same arguments could be applied to a lot of club memberships. Golf clubs spring quickly to mind and, I suggest, a similar structure to CAMC. A primary service that is currently unavailable.

My sailing club subs are more than CAMC and members are currently unable to access club premises. Some have their yachts impounded in the yard, others whilst afloat on club moorings are unable to be used due to a directive of the Queen's Harbourmaster For my part, no longer being an active sailer, I am unable to access the only facility that I now use, the bar and galley.

The primary benefits of membership, boat storage and moorings are still provided. The primary benefit of CAMC, sites, are not. As has been suggested elsewhere, a notional extension of membership would seem appropriate.

replied on 13/04/2020 08:07

Posted on 12/04/2020 20:57 by Cornersteady

David I have gone back pages and nowhere has any non member posted anything about using CT and not paying for it in line with your reply in quotes below:

Until you asked that question it wasn't something I'd considered, but actually I do feel there is a moral obligation to contribute to a service I'm using.

Put it this way if the Club was to announce that due to limited funding (because of Covid 19) they were closing this forum for the next few months I'd be devastated!!!
 
' I tend to agree too however it's not occurred to some non members to view it that way '

 

Have you confused posters again? No need to reply unless you feel the need, I tried asking politely but you took it the wrong way so I'll leave it there on this matter.

 

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:07

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replied on 13/04/2020 08:16

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:07 by

No confusion here no matter how hard you try to create it.

 Non members of the CAMC (some not even owning a Caravan or motorhome ) make daily use of this forum.

Do you think they should contribute to its upkeep or not?

Simple enough question

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:16

I take the presumed view that the reason that non members are welcome to join the forum and that the forum is open to the world wide web is as a means for the club to promote itself.

replied on 13/04/2020 08:25

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:16 by

I take the presumed view that the reason that non members are welcome to join the forum and that the forum is open to the world wide web is as a means for the club to promote itself.

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:25

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Rocky 2 buckets replied on 13/04/2020 08:26

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:07 by

No confusion here no matter how hard you try to create it.

 Non members of the CAMC (some not even owning a Caravan or motorhome ) make daily use of this forum.

Do you think they should contribute to its upkeep or not?

Simple enough question

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:26

I am not a member but use the forum, my answer is no I don’t think I or others should contribute. We take nothing out of the kitty ergo we should not be expected to put anything back in.

PS-I am hoping in the future the C&MC open all the sites to tents then I will happily rejoin without a second thought. I enjoyed using all the sites without issue.

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