Television aerial

trevmaster replied on 17/11/2017 20:18

Posted on 17/11/2017 20:18

We have only just come back to caravaning as the kids have grown up and now we can get the grand kids in on it.I have recently purchased a 1997 Abbey County Dorset caravan and I am having trouble getting a signal for the antenna on the roof. I did wonder if it was because it was an old caravan. The booster inside has the light on so I assume it is working, any suggestions please?  

chasncath replied on 01/12/2017 22:58

Posted on 01/12/2017 22:58

Before you go off spending money, try retuning your tv when you arrive on a new site. Digital signal channels differ from region to region, so you need to select retuning from your tv's menu.

On Club sites with poor tv signal there's often an option to connect to a tv socket on the Ehu via a long cable, whch you can buy from reception.

Vulcan replied on 01/12/2017 23:45

Posted on 01/12/2017 20:31 by jennyc

There are plenty of people on CT who will show how dangerous a little knowledge can be. Digital signals as transmitted for UK television are weaker than the obsolete analogue signals we used to receive, at the same distance from the transmitter. That means that the old flying saucer shape may not perform well, where later designs of ‘log periodic’ with their directional array of prongs will work when pointing in the direction of the transmitter. Pitch your caravan close to a transmitter and anything, coat hanger, piece of wire etc will work. When you pitch further away, things will get more difficult and you may need all of the help that you can get - which leads to a ‘digital’ aerial, where the elements are optimally spaced for the frequencies used in digital transmissions, and pointed in the direction of the transmitter, will maximise your chances. Forget the technobabble and get a Status, or equivilant directional aerial, ideally with a signal strength indicator fitted. These are commonly referred to as ’digital’ because of their optimal design for digital transmissions. Close to a transmitter, as stated previously, a coat hanger will work.

But before splashing out on a retrofit, you might like to consider the flexibility of using an internet connected tablet for its diversity and range of programs available.

Posted on 01/12/2017 23:45

On the contrary, since the end of mainstream analogue transmissions some years ago digital power output was upped significantly.There are wideband aerials, grouped aerials, log periodic aerials, high-gain aerials, grid aerials and even YAGI aerials, but no digital aerials. All aerials are capable of receiving both analogue and digital TV signals.

Milothedog replied on 02/12/2017 09:09

Posted on 02/12/2017 09:09

So as I suggested, the OP's current aerial may not be compatible with the digital signal now used ?

I remember from the switch over many homes had to replace their existing aerial or install additional gizmo's smile

Metheven replied on 02/12/2017 11:28

Posted on 02/12/2017 11:28

Many people were advised to upgrade aerials because of the weaker digital signal originally, but that was to enhance the signal by use of higher gain aerials. As Vulcan states there is no difference between a digital and analogue aerial, only its sensitivity in picking up that signal.

The saucer type was crap whether it was analogue or digital, unless you were close by to the transmitter, purely because it was/is a omni directional aerial.

Vulcan replied on 02/12/2017 11:48

Posted on 02/12/2017 09:09 by Milothedog

So as I suggested, the OP's current aerial may not be compatible with the digital signal now used ?

I remember from the switch over many homes had to replace their existing aerial or install additional gizmo's smile

Posted on 02/12/2017 11:48

Please read my previous post again, there is no reason why the OP's aerial should not work subject to the usual constraints and assuming it is not faulty, I am still using my seventeen year old Omni.

As for the domestic Digital switch over, many unscrupulous aerial specialists exploited the ignorance of the public as an excuse to replace a perfectly good aerial.

 

Navigateur replied on 02/12/2017 12:01

Posted on 02/12/2017 12:01

Remember that an omni-directional antenna is exactly that - omni. So it picks up in all directions more or less equally. Great if the TV transmitter you want is the only signal, but any other intentional signal or interference in the right range of frequencies also is passed down to the booster amplifier and helps to obscure the wanted information.

Somtimes the benefit of a directional antenna is more in what it does not recieve.

There are applications available for smart phones that will show the direction, distance and polarity required for aligning one's antenna correctly. But the reciever still has to be re-tuned to make sense of the output of whatever transmitter one chooses. If one aligns to a different transmitter (even without moving the caravan at all) then one has to retune the reciever.

I've noticed that different transmitters carry a different mix of TV stations, so one can considerably increase the number of possible programmes to argue over.

ABIPete replied on 02/12/2017 13:05

Posted on 02/12/2017 13:05

I contacted Status to check if the 'flying saucer ' would work with the digital signal and was told that it would worked ok also the aerial amplifier. As others have said they are not the best in weaker signal areas!

jennyc replied on 02/12/2017 17:51

Posted on 01/12/2017 23:45 by Vulcan

On the contrary, since the end of mainstream analogue transmissions some years ago digital power output was upped significantly.There are wideband aerials, grouped aerials, log periodic aerials, high-gain aerials, grid aerials and even YAGI aerials, but no digital aerials. All aerials are capable of receiving both analogue and digital TV signals.

Posted on 02/12/2017 17:51

You are obviously unaware of the mathematics behind the spacing of elements in log periodic aerials (as supplied by many LV manufacturers and sold under the brand name Status). As I said in my first post, a little knowledge can be dangerous. Most certainly, while there are a variety of aerial designs, starting with a coat hanger, there is no effective solution to enhancing reception for specific frequencies in simple antenna. University level study of such designs clarifies this.

Vulcan replied on 02/12/2017 18:20

Posted on 02/12/2017 17:51 by jennyc

You are obviously unaware of the mathematics behind the spacing of elements in log periodic aerials (as supplied by many LV manufacturers and sold under the brand name Status). As I said in my first post, a little knowledge can be dangerous. Most certainly, while there are a variety of aerial designs, starting with a coat hanger, there is no effective solution to enhancing reception for specific frequencies in simple antenna. University level study of such designs clarifies this.

Posted on 02/12/2017 18:20

We seem to have got carried away with technicalities here, I  am well  aware of the mathematics behind the spacing of elements in aerials, I have manufactured many however, the original post asked if his aerial did not work because it was  old and the simple answer is no because as far as he is concerned there is no difference between analogue and digital aerials.

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