Help on weights and towbar - yes a newbee - lol

campbell91 replied on 18/10/2016 21:53

Posted on 18/10/2016 21:53

Hi all.....completly new to Caravanning should be buying on Friday but confused over a couple of issues and wondered if anyone can confirm whether my info is correct....

i have ford mondeo titanium....unladen weight 2170 yes a heavy beast, total laden weight 3970 that gives me 1800 to play with at 100%, the caravan weight as follows unladen 1216 and total laden weight of 1450, so 85% of 1800 is 1630 kg, so with them figures I'm ok but total combined weight of car and caravan 3620 kg, just to make it clear I'm a class 1 Hgv driver so no issues with me handling the weight but while at work I run legal and family life will not differ as my children safety comes first, am I correct on being legal with these figures.

secound is caravan has a alko hitch I was told I would be ok with swan neck on this hitch and won't interfere with reverse sensors compared to flange type, is it safe to use swan neck with alko hitch as don't want to lose my first caravan, very confusing when you first start out cavaning I find dealing with issue and weights on  simpler than caravan and car....

also will be using this for our holiday to Italy and germany next year so don't want to run into the wrong problems....I thank you in advance for any advise on my figures..

snosball replied on 20/10/2016 07:12

Posted on 20/10/2016 07:12

I had a 2ltr mondeo to pull my Bailey Orion and all was well till we got caught in a traffic jam going from 3-2 -1 lanes on the longest hill I have ever encountered in Brittany this year, by the time we had finished the clutch was stinking as no one would allow me a decent gap every time the traffic moved. Have now traded in for. Kia Sorento (auto) and it's a different world. So just be careful on hills is my advice

Lutz replied on 20/10/2016 07:18

Posted on 20/10/2016 07:18

Just found info in handbook, 

"overall height at EC kerb weight including roof bars".       1502-1548, so going by this figure yes I'm close to 100% but yet this is height and not weight as there is no mention of weights within handbook, but as with any vehicle weights you check plate so looking at GVW I'm now close to 85%, now going to sleep even more confused by my own figures, just hope I get weights correct at work tomorrow...lol

You've looked at heights there instead of kerbweight. Kerbweight is specific to each and every car so you won't find a documented weight for your car anywhere unless the Certificate of Conformity supplied with the car quotes a figure under item 13.2. (The certificate for my BMW does, but my understanding is that most don't). The closest you will find to the actual kerbweight will be the mass in running order in your V5c certificate. That figure will, however, almost certainly be conservative as far as calculating weight ratio as it applies to the base vehicle only, without most factory fitted options.

replied on 20/10/2016 07:23

Posted on 20/10/2016 07:23

No kerbweight on my  V5c certificate 

Lutz replied on 20/10/2016 08:21

Posted on 20/10/2016 08:21

No kerbweight on my  V5c certificate 

The V5c will never show kerbweight, but Item G should quote a mass in service.

replied on 20/10/2016 11:00

Posted on 20/10/2016 11:00

There is an entry but no weight given only foe maximum laden weigh (however it is described) I had my document box to hand and just checked. I weighed the car with towbar fitted and full fuel tank, added 75kg for driver, deducted 10% of fuel tank weight and arrived at 1725kg. It is pretty close to the check site I have put a link for if you add on towbar.

Caravan Clubsite was something ridiculous - 1515kg! 200kg less

Reading the info they cannot say what is included in that weight!!

campbell91 replied on 20/10/2016 11:09

Posted on 20/10/2016 11:09

Totally lost now, trying to find kerb weight when not listed anywhere lol, did go on tow car but in a space of 2 days different figures first saying not a match then 2 days later saying is a match, might end up getting motor home less confusion lol, as far as I can work out I'm ok on weight issue just gotta be a bit more careful than a lighter caravan, and mondeo's are good at pulling but no good on hills.......bang goes my trip to Swiss alps.....lol, well buying the caravan 2morrow the children looking forward to it but havnt told them yet they pushing up the hills.......thanks all

john321 replied on 20/10/2016 12:45

Posted on 20/10/2016 12:45

Hi

. Just go to towcarinfo.com get all u need from that site .good luck

Lutz replied on 20/10/2016 19:55

Posted on 20/10/2016 19:55

Totally lost now, trying to find kerb weight when not listed anywhere lol, did go on tow car but in a space of 2 days different figures first saying not a match then 2 days later saying is a match, might end up getting motor home less confusion lol, as far as I can work out I'm ok on weight issue just gotta be a bit more careful than a lighter caravan, and mondeo's are good at pulling but no good on hills.......bang goes my trip to Swiss alps.....lol, well buying the caravan 2morrow the children looking forward to it but havnt told them yet they pushing up the hills.......thanks all

If kerbweight is important to you they have the car weighed on a weighbridge. At least you'll know what's included in the weight then.

To maybe put your mind at ease a little, Swiss roads have fewer steep gradients than you might expect. There are probably only a handful of major mountain passes that one would describe as steep.

campbell91 replied on 03/11/2016 18:13

Posted on 03/11/2016 18:13

Collecting caravan tomorrow, have been on tow are info but have different info come back despite putting same infomation, I've spoke to vosa they have confirm I'm ok with all weights, but will put my kayak/canoes on roof rack to see how much weight I have to play with before going over weight....thanks for all the advice....happy Caravanning......

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