gas safety

veej replied on 24/06/2017 10:51

Posted on 24/06/2017 10:51

What are the obligations (if any) of a tourer dealer with regards to gas safety checks on vans they sell to the public? This question is in relation to a van i recently bought that on our first outing pumped gas fumes from the fridge into the van, tests by an independent expert revealed flue blocked with carbon, pipes from gas cylinder from bottle to appliance not changed for years, flame burning yellow instead of blue, fridge insecure in housing causing fridge to move about in transit, we are happy with the van itself, it is an old van and in general good condition but as newbies to caravanning  we accepted the dealers assurance that the fridge and other appliances were in full running order, having informed the dealer of all this they are saying that gas checks on tourers do not have to be done by "gas safe engineers and do not have to be issued with a "gas safe certificate " prior to sale, they are anxious to have the van back for repair but are indicating it not a good idea to get 3rd party involved, i have no confidence that they will repair the van competently but also i am concerned that should they be selling vans without proper gas checks, on the receipt they gave me they wrote "yes a gas check had been done", i am find ing it difficult to find online the exact infor re dealer obligations on gas checks on vans they sell, can anyone help with this please.

 

 

Sianelen replied on 24/06/2017 12:00

Posted on 24/06/2017 12:00

Personally I'd get the van serviced by a qualified caravan service engineer. I'd ask him to give me a list of all the faults and take that and your original receipt showing that "yes a gas check had been done" to Trading Standards they should be able to help you.
I'd also get a carbon monoxide detector fitted.

Cornersteady replied on 24/06/2017 12:23

Posted on 24/06/2017 12:23

As above. I'm also a bit suspicious of them want you to to take back the van so quickly and them not wanting to involve a third party. As you are a member I would call the club's technical helpline and see what they say too.

I had a bad experience with my former dealer/service when they had not reconnected the hose from the cylinder to the van's inlet regulator. Luckily I noticed it before putting stuff back in the locker. Again they were most apologetic and offered me a free service.

veej replied on 24/06/2017 13:33

Posted on 24/06/2017 13:33

Thanks for info/advice,  van has been to an independent service/repair centre who have listed/confirmed all the faults in my original post , the dealer concerned is not forthcoming with the number of the gas safe engineer who is supposed to have done the relevant checks so it looking like no such "qualified" check was done despite what the paperwork says. I will be seeking advice from Trading Standards on Monday . Many thanks

Veej

KjellNN replied on 25/06/2017 18:45

Posted on 25/06/2017 18:45

As far as I know, the regulations that apply to domestic gas installations do not apply to touring caravans, so all that is required is that work is done by a "competant person".

Fridges in caravans are often not correctly installed, sometomes even on brand new vans.

Our dealer changes the gas hoses if they are out of date at a service, others may just advise that they should be changed.

Yes, get a carbon monoxide detector.

Tinwheeler replied on 25/06/2017 19:14

Posted on 25/06/2017 18:45 by KjellNN

As far as I know, the regulations that apply to domestic gas installations do not apply to touring caravans, so all that is required is that work is done by a "competant person".

Fridges in caravans are often not correctly installed, sometomes even on brand new vans.

Our dealer changes the gas hoses if they are out of date at a service, others may just advise that they should be changed.

Yes, get a carbon monoxide detector.

Posted on 25/06/2017 19:14

Exactly so, Kjell. The requirement is for the person to be competent in order to work on caravan gas systems. It has nothing to do with Gas Safe regs intended for domestic or commercial premises, and is not the same as regs for hire vans. I have supplied links in earlier threads. 

The vague 'competent' description is a reason dealers send vans out the door in shoddy condition. One person's idea of competent is another's of incompetent as standards vary considerably.

Cornersteady replied on 25/06/2017 19:17

Posted on 25/06/2017 19:14 by Tinwheeler

Exactly so, Kjell. The requirement is for the person to be competent in order to work on caravan gas systems. It has nothing to do with Gas Safe regs intended for domestic or commercial premises, and is not the same as regs for hire vans. I have supplied links in earlier threads. 

The vague 'competent' description is a reason dealers send vans out the door in shoddy condition. One person's idea of competent is another's of incompetent as standards vary considerably.

Posted on 25/06/2017 19:17

just out of interest does the same apply to electrical work?

Tinwheeler replied on 25/06/2017 19:28

Posted on 25/06/2017 19:17 by Cornersteady

just out of interest does the same apply to electrical work?

Posted on 25/06/2017 19:28

In a nutshell, Corners, yes. Another job for the competent.

Oneputt replied on 26/06/2017 08:05

Posted on 26/06/2017 08:05

An Independent engineer told me that he constantly has problems with gas appliances after services by many main dealers.  This applies mainly to fridges due to the difficulties in keep taking them out and reinstalling, so a lot don't even bother.  I find that quite worrying. 

replied on 26/06/2017 08:17

Posted on 26/06/2017 08:17

Servicing gas appliances is not part of the general service and so fridges will not be taken out unless requested.

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