B+E test could be scrapped

harryb replied on 21/07/2021 09:09

Posted on 21/07/2021 09:09

I've just seen a headline on the online version of The Telegraph stating the government is thinking of scrapping the B+E test so examiners can be freed up to take HGV tests to try and lighten the shortage of lorry drivers. Surely that would confuse the whole towing issue.

I couldn't read the article because it faded out as it was a subscription issue. Anyone else have further news.

 

MichaelT replied on 17/08/2021 14:51

Posted on 13/08/2021 14:31 by harryb

I didn't pay for instruction but i did go to an old airfield nearby to practice with a friend who had towed for many years. So no, I didn't hitch up and go except when I took the van home from the dealers, about 6 miles.

Remember, I mentioned the B+E being introduced in 1997. Why did the government deem it necessary? 

Posted on 17/08/2021 14:51

Was it to bring in the same classes as the EU and maybe to add onto the new photo driving licence?

Zebes replied on 19/08/2021 12:57

Posted on 19/08/2021 12:57

I think a sensible compromise would be to raise the current limit to 4250 kgs for all combinations. The rules are so confusing for some people where you can legally tow upto 4250 kgs with a trailer of less than 750 kgs but can't go above 3500 kgs if your trailer is heavier. The current rules as they are at the moment encourages the use of lighter tow cars which certainly doesn't promote safety. I did some training with an instructor before I started out and found it to be really useful so would encourage it for others.

EmilysDad replied on 19/08/2021 19:55

Posted on 19/08/2021 12:57 by Zebes

I think a sensible compromise would be to raise the current limit to 4250 kgs for all combinations. The rules are so confusing for some people where you can legally tow upto 4250 kgs with a trailer of less than 750 kgs but can't go above 3500 kgs if your trailer is heavier. The current rules as they are at the moment encourages the use of lighter tow cars which certainly doesn't promote safety. I did some training with an instructor before I started out and found it to be really useful so would encourage it for others.

Posted on 19/08/2021 19:55

 ...  I did some training with an instructor before I started out and found it to be really useful 

in what way? 

Zebes replied on 20/08/2021 10:08

Posted on 19/08/2021 19:55 by EmilysDad

 ...  I did some training with an instructor before I started out and found it to be really useful 

in what way? 

Posted on 20/08/2021 10:08

I was considering doing the b+e at the time but was put off by the £700 price, especially given that my combination is legal on B license. So what I did was to have a half day with an instructor learning things like the correct hitching procedure, the importance of correct loading and noseweights, trailer safety checks, practice reversing. Some would say that was probably a waste of time or money but I think it was useful practice for a newbie at the time. 

EmilysDad replied on 20/08/2021 12:18

Posted on 20/08/2021 10:08 by Zebes

I was considering doing the b+e at the time but was put off by the £700 price, especially given that my combination is legal on B license. So what I did was to have a half day with an instructor learning things like the correct hitching procedure, the importance of correct loading and noseweights, trailer safety checks, practice reversing. Some would say that was probably a waste of time or money but I think it was useful practice for a newbie at the time. 

Posted on 20/08/2021 12:18

I was just asking .... 👍

MHG replied on 26/08/2021 11:27

Posted on 26/08/2021 11:27

+1 for the hitch up and go... all the way to the South of France! I do think there is an element of confidence associated to towing also at play here.

Not sure if I fit into the 'seasoned caravan' bracket yet - but having towed for last 8 years I'm a reasonably confident (but not cocky) tower (caravans and boats). As I passed my test post 97 I'm limited to the 3500kg limit. My current outfit is within all legal requirements, however, what gripes me is that if I wanted to (to my mind at least) make my outfit even 'safer' like changing my towcar to a slightly heavier, modest 4x4 - I now have to take a further test - to tow the very same caravan that I have been towing perfectly well for the last 8 years! Point blank I have refused to do the test thus far as I'm simply not paying to tow the very same caravan that I am already towing.

And what's worse - if I were to take the B+E test and fail.... It's all OK, as I'm still able to tow my caravan..

 

Tinwheeler replied on 26/08/2021 12:09

Posted on 26/08/2021 12:09

If you were to take the test and fail you'd be in exactly the same position as you are now - limited to 3500kg.

Personally, I think it's not sensible to restrict yourself and, in your shoes, I'd take it. Why cut your nose off to spite your face?

EmilysDad replied on 26/08/2021 13:35

Posted on 26/08/2021 12:09 by Tinwheeler

If you were to take the test and fail you'd be in exactly the same position as you are now - limited to 3500kg.

Personally, I think it's not sensible to restrict yourself and, in your shoes, I'd take it. Why cut your nose off to spite your face?

Posted on 26/08/2021 13:35

 ... If you were to take the test and fail you'd be in exactly the same position as you are now - limited to 3500kg.

Isn't that what MHG said? 🙄

Personally, I think it's not sensible to restrict yourself and, in your shoes, I'd take it. Why cut your nose off to spite your face?

Cos MHG might want to spend the £400/£500 (just a guess) on other things

Tinwheeler replied on 26/08/2021 13:53

Posted on 26/08/2021 13:35 by EmilysDad

 ... If you were to take the test and fail you'd be in exactly the same position as you are now - limited to 3500kg.

Isn't that what MHG said? 🙄

Personally, I think it's not sensible to restrict yourself and, in your shoes, I'd take it. Why cut your nose off to spite your face?

Cos MHG might want to spend the £400/£500 (just a guess) on other things

Posted on 26/08/2021 13:53

The first point is debatable. I took it as it's OK he can still tow without taking the test. Otherwise, why say "and what's worse…"? 

The second point is simply your own wild speculation.

Anything else you want to quibble about?😬

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