National Trust Resolution Upcoming

Takethedogalong replied on 30/09/2021 14:05

Posted on 30/09/2021 14:05

I know that a lot of Members and Forum users are, like us Members of The National Trust. This October’s Trust AGM includes a Resolution to ban Trail Hunting on National Trust land, and as such I wanted to highlight this issue and bring it to the attention of any Trust Member who might not be aware.

Its not for me to urge anyone to make up their minds about which way to vote, if Members do choose to vote. There is a lot of information out on the internet on different websites in terms of what trail hunting is, how it is conducted, who controls it, and the myriad of issues surrounding it. Those of you who are Members will have received full details in the AGM literature included with your latest NT magazine, and how to vote either online, or by post. For information, and an easy option to make your vote count, below is the link to enable Members to vote securely. You will need to log in using your NT membership number.

https://secure.cesvotes.com/V3-1-0/nt21/en/login?bbp=30978&x=-1

I hope that like us, many will do the research, make an informed decision, and cast their vote accordingly. My post is merely to bring attention to this important issue, I have no intention of debating hunting on here, as I know it can get very emotive, and the last thing I want is this information to go missing. Others may want to discuss it, but please in that case, open a new thread😁

Fisherman replied on 31/10/2021 10:59

Posted on 31/10/2021 10:59

Its the power minorities and non representative groups now have that worries me. In this case I read only 2% of the membership voted. Its just like the Insulation lot and the few that cause all this chaos.  Its making a joke of free speech. As for dressing up to chase a fictional prey, that just not me but I dont feel like banning everything just for that.

Takethedogalong replied on 31/10/2021 11:24

Posted on 31/10/2021 10:42 by

As a matter of interest what is the difference between trail and "drag" TTDA?

I don't any strong feelings about it one way or another and no interest in the NT but I did walk past a hunt kennels a little while back and it did occur to me that that large pack of very large dogs in the yard and the people who look after them would be out of work (and presumably lives for the dogs) if they had nothing to chase around after..

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:24

It’s a bit complicated AD, but basically, Drag Hunting involves following an artificial scent (such as aniseed), which is laid down over a more controlled route, and the hounds are trained to follow this scent. Drag Hunting is perfectly legal, and still goes on.

Trail Hunting came about as a response to the 2004 Hunting Ban. It uses an animal based scent, and the dogs follow this. (Fox urine is supposedly used, but in fact would require gallons of the stuff, and there is some mystery surrounding where it comes from.) Hence, it’s not impossible for the hounds to pick up a cross scent (another fox), and then tally ho, off they go. It’s as close to real hunting as possible, foxes “accidentally” killed, no preset routes. 

There are in fact few riders that actually “hunt”. That is the premise of the professionals, the “Huntsman”, “Master”, “Whipper In”etc...those employed by a Hunt. Everyone else is just out really for a good gallop and the social side. Which is perfectly possible without killing something at the end of a chase. Drag Hunting is faster, and therefore such a riding challenge that the British Army adopted it to increase rider proficiency.

The out of work, death of the hounds premise was an early response to the Hunting ban, but they are still there, many years on. 

I was hoping to provide some links, but most of the subject is very partisan, so best to do your own reading. Drag Hunts were very keen not to be associated with non Drag Hunts, hence why “Trail Hunting” is the term used. One hunts to kill, the other hunts for the sport and excitement.

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ADP1963 replied on 31/10/2021 11:28

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:28

Cornersteady, you asked do cycling or walking dogs harm animals. Well yes if not done properly. Many times I have seen dogs being dragged unwillingly on what has been a walk far too long for the dogs age or fitness. Also the cycling Lycra loonies that go through our village with total disregard for pedestrians, cats and dogs are dangerous to all. I am a National Trust member and I didn't vote and have no interest whatsoever of the results of the outcome.

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Posted on 31/10/2021 11:24 by Takethedogalong

It’s a bit complicated AD, but basically, Drag Hunting involves following an artificial scent (such as aniseed), which is laid down over a more controlled route, and the hounds are trained to follow this scent. Drag Hunting is perfectly legal, and still goes on.

Trail Hunting came about as a response to the 2004 Hunting Ban. It uses an animal based scent, and the dogs follow this. (Fox urine is supposedly used, but in fact would require gallons of the stuff, and there is some mystery surrounding where it comes from.) Hence, it’s not impossible for the hounds to pick up a cross scent (another fox), and then tally ho, off they go. It’s as close to real hunting as possible, foxes “accidentally” killed, no preset routes. 

There are in fact few riders that actually “hunt”. That is the premise of the professionals, the “Huntsman”, “Master”, “Whipper In”etc...those employed by a Hunt. Everyone else is just out really for a good gallop and the social side. Which is perfectly possible without killing something at the end of a chase. Drag Hunting is faster, and therefore such a riding challenge that the British Army adopted it to increase rider proficiency.

The out of work, death of the hounds premise was an early response to the Hunting ban, but they are still there, many years on. 

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Cornersteady replied on 31/10/2021 11:36

Posted on 31/10/2021 10:59 by Fisherman

Its the power minorities and non representative groups now have that worries me. In this case I read only 2% of the membership voted. Its just like the Insulation lot and the few that cause all this chaos.  Its making a joke of free speech. As for dressing up to chase a fictional prey, that just not me but I dont feel like banning everything just for that.

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:36

I've often heard that people and students (of voting age) before, usually about some form of government and a complaint against it, and my stock answer is to say, did you vote? Did you campaign or speak to anyone about your views across, or will you do so in the future.

if the answer if is no then you have nothing to complain about?

Cornersteady replied on 31/10/2021 11:37

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:28 by ADP1963

Cornersteady, you asked do cycling or walking dogs harm animals. Well yes if not done properly. Many times I have seen dogs being dragged unwillingly on what has been a walk far too long for the dogs age or fitness. Also the cycling Lycra loonies that go through our village with total disregard for pedestrians, cats and dogs are dangerous to all. I am a National Trust member and I didn't vote and have no interest whatsoever of the results of the outcome.

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:37

Don't have a dog but I believe their are laws against being cruel?

As for the cyclists again if they are such a danger report it to the police, do something about it.

Cornersteady replied on 31/10/2021 11:40

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:27 by

I personally think hunting is distasteful and I don't have much time for the class of people who indulge in it. However its so so easy now with internet campaigns to get a sizable minority to vote at no cost or inconvenience to themselves to  ban something they don't want to do. Banning something one wants to do,  that takes principle and I have yet to see it.

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:40

Except in this case one does have to join the NT so at some cost, and more than double the expense (joint membership) than joining the club?

Takethedogalong replied on 31/10/2021 11:45

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Thanks.

Posted on 31/10/2021 11:45

You do right to worry about the dogs as well. They are selectively bred for a single purpose. Any that don’t meet that purpose, or display unacceptable behaviour traits, do not live long. Average age span is around 8 years. Even the Hunt’s admit that thousands are killed each year. One breed that you seldom see in large numbers as pets are Foxhounds. They are a working commodity to the Hunt, valued only for one purpose beyond further breeding. Once trained to kill, hard to rehome. 

You will get Foxhounds of course that are pets, will be bred away from Hunting, live normal domesticated lives.

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Posted on 31/10/2021 11:40 by Cornersteady

Except in this case one does have to join the NT so at some cost, and more than double the expense (joint membership) than joining the club?

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