Smog!

tigerfish replied on 02/12/2016 09:04

Posted on 02/12/2016 09:04

We heard yesterday that there were dangerous levels of pollution in our cities. The inference was that it was all our fault because we were using our cars, bus's and HGV's too much, and I accept that that may well be the cause.

BUT, back in the 1950's when I were nowt but a lad, at about this time of the year we experienced Smog!  Fog so thick that you literally could not see your hand infront of your face. Breathing was difficult, and it actually smelt of a sulfery tarry choking mess.  I suppose it came from steam engines, factories and millions of coal fired house fires.

So how did that sort of pollution compare with today's?  Was it worse or just different? This is not meant to be provocative, I genuinely don't know and it interests me!

My personal opinion tends towards thinking that bad as our inner cities may be, they are not as bad as they were in the 50's,- but on the other hand could it be that todays pollution may be invisible, but is perhaps more dangerous???

TF

 

brue replied on 03/12/2016 09:54

Posted on 03/12/2016 09:54

I like the way Bristol has tried out travel lanes for cars with more than one person. Bristol also encourages cycling with some good designated cycle lanes. In London my friend's husband cycled to work each day but it wasn't a good experience. The place I use park and ride is Bath, another good system there.

tigerfish replied on 03/12/2016 10:02

Posted on 03/12/2016 10:02

Thanks Brue, and to answer the cynics, look at this way. Almost every cycle commuter, bus passenger and walker, represents one less car infront of you tomorrow morning.

TF

Kennine replied on 03/12/2016 11:05

Posted on 03/12/2016 11:05

At the moment (WHO lists) Port Talbot tops the pollution list, followed by Stanford le Hope, Glasgow and London, in that order.

Write your comments here...Thank you for that information Brue. But Stanford le hope and Port Talbot are not cities. ---It is city centres which suffer most through traffic polution and the proposal that Electric vehicles be the only permitted vehicles allowed into large city centres is certainly a good one

Vehicles using internal combustion engines are fine for use outside City centres and that would not change.    It is a case of looking at the whole picture. 

Cheers ..............K

 

Kerry Watkins replied on 03/12/2016 11:52

Posted on 03/12/2016 11:52

Provide subsidies to allow containers and goods to travel by rail and then electric vehicles to transport to their local destination. Similar for electric cars in urban areas.Reduce CO2 considerably.

brue replied on 03/12/2016 12:27

Posted on 03/12/2016 12:27

At the moment (WHO lists) Port Talbot tops the pollution list, followed by Stanford le Hope, Glasgow and London, in that order.

Write your comments here...Thank you for that information Brue. But Stanford le hope and Port Talbot are not cities. ---It is city centres which suffer most through traffic polution and the proposal that Electric vehicles be the only permitted vehicles allowed into large city centres is certainly a good one

Vehicles using internal combustion engines are fine for use outside City centres and that would not change.    It is a case of looking at the whole picture. 

Cheers ..............K

 

I quoted this because you said London had the worst pollution but Glasgow appears to have more. If you read the details Stanford LH is polluted by traffic in the London area, local "super"ports and weather patterns. Much of the pollution is traffic related in these towns and cities. Smile

RangeRoverMan replied on 03/12/2016 14:30

Posted on 03/12/2016 14:30

Provide subsidies to allow containers and goods to travel by rail and then electric vehicles to transport to their local destination. Similar for electric cars in urban areas.Reduce CO2 considerably.

But don't expect next day delivery. More like next week or next month.

tombar replied on 04/12/2016 17:04

Posted on 04/12/2016 17:04

HappyPersonally, I loved the smog of yesteryear, because when me and my pals were playing out and especially when it was really smoggy, we could stay out and play later as our parents couldn't find us, and if they shouted, we just kept quiet

ValDa replied on 04/12/2016 17:10

Posted on 04/12/2016 17:10

It will be interesting to see how London pollution levels change in the next few years, before any radical changes to vehicle types happens.  Over 25% of London streets now have a 20mph limit for road safety purposes, not to deal with pollution.  Does anyone know if this means that emissions and pollution levels rise or reduce because of the lower speed?  I'm interested because our son lives in one of the boroughs which has been most keen to introduce the lower speed limits.  

Like Tombar, I remember the bad old days of 'smogs' and the smell of the yellowish mist!!! 

Mitsi Fendt replied on 04/12/2016 17:35

Posted on 04/12/2016 17:35

At the moment (WHO lists) Port Talbot tops the pollution list, followed by Stanford le Hope, Glasgow and London, in that order.

Write your comments here...Thank you for that information Brue. But Stanford le hope and Port Talbot are not cities. ---It is city centres which suffer most through traffic polution and the proposal that Electric vehicles be the only permitted vehicles allowed into large city centres is certainly a good one

Vehicles using internal combustion engines are fine for use outside City centres and that would not change.    It is a case of looking at the whole picture. 

Cheers ..............K

 

I live not very far from Port Talbot. The main polluter there is probavly the steelworks. 

Freedom a whitebox replied on 04/12/2016 18:11

Posted on 04/12/2016 18:11

If London goes electrice cars only, will Rolls Royce produce a suitable "palace on wheels" ? As I can't see the "fat cats" of business being driven around in Nissan Leafs Let alone the rich and famous!

In today's climate , that would kill off London as a major player in the financial world. 

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