School holiday now?

Ian, I think you'll find it was K (you know, one of those real workers, presumably!) who suggested time off in lieu!

The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.  

You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year. 

However -

I dont really blame teachers for availing  themselves of the cushy little number  that weak-willed Local Authorities have  allowed to become the norm.  But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments, who work for  a full day and only get a month's holiday a year. 

Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer. 

K 

Still haven't put those "age old opinions and prejudices" behind you then, K? My advice to you, for what it's worth, is to let it go. I'm sure you'd agree the forum would be so much friendlier if those same old views weren't constantly dredged up! 

(Incidentally, have you considered the holidays in public schools which are outside local authority control - even longer aren't they?)

Still haven't put those "age old opinions and prejudices" behind you then, K? My advice to you, for what it's worth, is to let it go. I'm sure you'd agree the forum would be so much friendlier if those same old views weren't constantly dredged up! 

(Incidentally, have you considered the holidays in public schools which are outside local authority control - even longer aren't they?)

and they often get much better results, as do the countries above us in Europe where they have even longer holidays.

The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.  

You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year. 

However -

I dont really blame teachers for availing  themselves of the cushy little number  that weak-willed Local Authorities have  allowed to become the norm.  But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments, who work for  a full day and only get a month's holiday a year. 

Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer. 

K 

a few points here, firstly we don't get holidays, secondly the LEA is mostly nowsdays not the employer of the teachers, haven't you heard of academies? 

You are in deep teacher envy K, why I don't know. The good news is though that the teacher's way of life is open to all, all it takes is hard work to get some decent qualifications though school, then university, then training to get some more qualifications, then you too can have a 39 week year, above average salary, and a generous tax funded pension. 

Teachers don't get holidays????

Hahahaha  Your best one yet, Corners! 

Oh no, maybe it's the one about 'hard work' to get into teaching!

Must be one of the easiest jobs ever to get into.......amply demonstrated by the abysmal standards of teaching these days.

The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.  

You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year. 

However -

I dont really blame teachers for availing  themselves of the cushy little number  that weak-willed Local Authorities have  allowed to become the norm.  But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments, who work for  a full day and only get a month's holiday a year. 

Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer. 

K 

a few points here, firstly we don't get holidays, secondly the LEA is mostly nowsdays not the employer of the teachers, haven't you heard of academies? 

You are in deep teacher envy K, why I don't know. The good news is though that the teacher's way of life is open to all, all it takes is hard work to get some decent qualifications though school, then university, then training to get some more qualifications, then you too can have a 39 week year, above average salary, and a generous tax funded pension. 

Write your comments here...and have a completely boring working existence well away from the real world. -no thanks Corners.

On a positive note may I compliment you on being the only teacher or past teacher on here who seem to be proud of your job.

At least you do try to educate us about the things which makes your job worth while.  Others immediately go into attack mode with their age old predudices and hang ups against anyone who dares to discuss education. With the attitude that no one else should discuss the education of children.

So both you and I are positive about our ideas and are happy to discuss like adults.We may not always agree but can be polite and civil to each other. .  Pity others cannot believe in polite discussion.

K

The thing that strikes me here is someone accusing teachers of having a "cushy little number" without actually disclosing what they themselves do for a living - or if retired, telling us what vital part of British industry decided they didn't need their services any more?

We could then examine how their "real world" job compared?

Cheers

Bugs

The non-working-days are factored into the rate of pay so it does not matter how many there are. If there was not a long holiday to recover there would be a considerable number not turning up come the start of the autum term because they were incarcerated in a psychiatric institution.

Recent news reports highlight that standards in mathematics are dropping so obviously appropriate learning is not taking place.  Some will blame the teachers for not teaching, others the children for not learning, but whichever is correct - if the children are not in school neither happens.

The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.  

You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year. 

However -

I dont really blame teachers for availing  themselves of the cushy little number  that weak-willed Local Authorities have  allowed to become the norm.  But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments, who work for  a full day and only get a month's holiday a year. 

Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer. 

K 

a few points here, firstly we don't get holidays, secondly the LEA is mostly nowsdays not the employer of the teachers, haven't you heard of academies? 

You are in deep teacher envy K, why I don't know. The good news is though that the teacher's way of life is open to all, all it takes is hard work to get some decent qualifications though school, then university, then training to get some more qualifications, then you too can have a 39 week year, above average salary, and a generous tax funded pension. 

Write your comments here...and have a completely boring working existence well away from the real world. -no thanks Corners.

On a positive note may I compliment you on being the only teacher or past teacher on here who seem to be proud of your job.

At least you do try to educate us about the things which makes your job worth while.  Others immediately go into attack mode with their age old predudices and hang ups against anyone who dares to discuss education. With the attitude that no one else should discuss the education of children.

So both you and I are positive about our ideas and are happy to discuss like adults.We may not always agree but can be polite and civil to each other. .  Pity others cannot believe in polite discussion.

K

 

 

You believe what you want, K! Your latest tactic then is "divide and conquer". The request to drop "age old opinions and prejudices" which, might I remind you are your own words appear not to apply to, err... your own age old opinions and prejudices. 

I asked you some time ago to let us into the secret of your own career - all you could come up with is "private sector". Respect has to be earned and maybe you'd earn it if you were a bit more honest yourself.

If you're not prepared to do that, my advice is to drop this irrational attitude towards teachers; it seems be an obsession. Move on, take your own advice and make the forum a friendlier place instead of deliberately setting out to cause dissent!

I'll leave the last word to you if that's what you want, but for heaven's sake, let it go.