Oradour Sur Glane. Dont miss it.

tigerfish replied on 23/03/2018 20:59

Posted on 23/03/2018 20:59

If you have time please look in the section on Hobbies, - Under Military History, my last post in the thread is about the Tragedy that befell Oradour Sur Glane on the 10th June 1944.  It is a story that i believe everyone should be aware of. It reveals the wider tragedy of wars.

My hobby has always been that of world and Military History. not through any glorification of war but of the bravery exhibited by some and the cruelty of others.  Everyone should have to visit Oradour, and then perhaps the World would be a wiser and more caring place.

I just didn't know where to post that story!

TF

DavidKlyne replied on 24/03/2018 01:00

Posted on 24/03/2018 01:00

We paid a visit in 2012 having originally read about it many years ago in the Sunday Times colour supplement. A very erie site but so was Bergen Belsen when we went there. Oradour sur Glane is interesting in that everything has been left exactly as it was when the massacre happened. There are some pictures of the site in my blog here, http://www.davidklyne.co.uk/french_leave.html you have to scroll down a bit. All the small pictures can be clicked on to provide a larger image.

David

paul56 replied on 24/03/2018 10:17

Posted on 24/03/2018 10:17

Sorry to say we had not heard of the place until we booked in at a site near Limoges and were encouraged to go to Oradour Sur Glane by the campsite owners. So glad we went. It is a stark and poignant reminder to what evil exists in the world.

tigerfish replied on 24/03/2018 10:23

Posted on 24/03/2018 10:23

David, Thanks for showing those pictures, they explained more than I could.  But that aside what a great record of your entire trip.  Great pictures too.

TF

 

Tammygirl replied on 24/03/2018 10:35

Posted on 24/03/2018 10:35

Agree a place that everyone should visit, we went 3 years ago for those wishing to visit there is an Aire in the town for motorhomes and a small campsite at Brice Sur Vienna.

DK we lived in the village of Bergen (Belsen) for 6 years, did you drive into the village and pass the railway sidings that were used to transport the poor prisoners.

Wherenext replied on 24/03/2018 14:59

Posted on 24/03/2018 14:59

I know what is going to happen whenever I visit one of these places. I'm going to shed tears, but I always go as I believe the victims and those people who stood up to tyranny deserve to have witnesses for their suffering and actions. Immensely moving.

We have been to quite a few small, out of the way, places particularly in France and seen small museums set up to honour and remember the Resistance and I remember going to the Museum dedicated to the resistance put up by the Parisians. It's situated on the roof of the Montparnasse Railway station if you ever find yourself there. Mrs. WN and myself felt emotionally drained after visiting. It should be compulsory for all schools to visit these establishments.

Nice post, TF.

DavidKlyne replied on 24/03/2018 16:00

Posted on 24/03/2018 10:35 by Tammygirl

Agree a place that everyone should visit, we went 3 years ago for those wishing to visit there is an Aire in the town for motorhomes and a small campsite at Brice Sur Vienna.

DK we lived in the village of Bergen (Belsen) for 6 years, did you drive into the village and pass the railway sidings that were used to transport the poor prisoners.

Posted on 24/03/2018 16:00

Tammygirl

We found Bergen Belsen a bit by accident. We were staying at a site at Engehausen which is not far from Celle. One day we were out for a ride in the car and I noticed the names Bergen and Belsen so set off to investigate.( Perhaps understandably the Germans are not keen to highlight WW2 sites)  I don't particularly recall the villages but do remember driving by a big army base. It was a very sombre place and having walked round where the bodies were buried we didn't even venture into the visitor centre. It was of particular interest to Margaret as it was where Anne Frank died and there was a memorial to her. Bergen Belsen was liberated by British Troops which must have been horrendous for them and I expect scarred many of them for years. Unfortunately many of the people liberated also died of disease and couldn't be saved. So near and yet so far.

David

Tammygirl replied on 24/03/2018 16:46

Posted on 24/03/2018 16:00 by DavidKlyne

Tammygirl

We found Bergen Belsen a bit by accident. We were staying at a site at Engehausen which is not far from Celle. One day we were out for a ride in the car and I noticed the names Bergen and Belsen so set off to investigate.( Perhaps understandably the Germans are not keen to highlight WW2 sites)  I don't particularly recall the villages but do remember driving by a big army base. It was a very sombre place and having walked round where the bodies were buried we didn't even venture into the visitor centre. It was of particular interest to Margaret as it was where Anne Frank died and there was a memorial to her. Bergen Belsen was liberated by British Troops which must have been horrendous for them and I expect scarred many of them for years. Unfortunately many of the people liberated also died of disease and couldn't be saved. So near and yet so far.

David

Posted on 24/03/2018 16:46

The big army base was Hohne camp, home to many Regiments and where OH served twice once for 18mths with the Engineers before we married and then for 6 years after we married. Both our children we born in Hannover hospital BMH. 

Shame you didn't go into the visitor centre its very interesting, I agree a very sombre place, at one time you never saw or heard a bird while walking round.

We have met a number of former servicemen that liberated Belsen, they used to make trips out to visit it and as serving personnel the Regiments used to host them.

The training area all round the camp had lots of history to, the camp Naafi shop (The Roundhouse) was the SS officers mess, the Colonel of our Regiment lived in Hopp house formerly the home of the Commandant of Bergen Belsen concentration camp. Schloss Braderbecke (our Officers mess) was formerly Hitlers hunting lodge.

Lots of memories of our time there, despite its awful past it is a lovely area to live.

Edit: many of the Polish prisoners that survived settled in the area and in time worked and lived within Hohne camp, they had their own camp with a camp. 

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