Is Road Pricing on its Way?

DavidKlyne replied on 04/02/2022 21:03

Posted on 04/02/2022 21:03

It seems it could be, according to the RAC Foundation here https://www.racfoundation.org/media-centre/no-viable-alternative-to-road-pricing-say-mps Apparently the Government faces a 35 billion black hole as we move to electric vehicles as currently they don't pay road tax. The House of Parliament Transport Committee have produced a report on finding alternatives to road tax, see here https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/8754/documents/88692/default/

Personally I don't have a problem with the idea of road pricing as it could be a lot fairer. Charges could be varied, I assume, according to how busy and how congested the particular roads are?

It will be a big decision for the Government to make, lets hope they get it right!!!

David

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 05/02/2022 23:51

Posted on 05/02/2022 19:08 by

Profits from selling ways and means to circumvent the payment system. Obvious really 🤔😜.

Posted on 05/02/2022 23:51

So how do they gain from it-how being the operative word🤷🏻‍♂️. It’s easy to say ‘they circumvent the payment system’ but how do they do that🙄🤔

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 05/02/2022 23:58

Posted on 05/02/2022 23:58

Outrage?, I doubt that. As JV points out from his personal experience it’s cheaper👍🏻. Outrage will soon be dropped to be replace by joy when the ‘ker-ching’ factor kicks in. The great British public are renown for their outrage until money sneaks into the equation😂😂

cyberyacht replied on 06/02/2022 08:07

Posted on 05/02/2022 19:45 by JimE

Privacy does not need to be compromised if the French model is adopted.

Your vehicle can be clocked by the ANPR camera when you join the network (motorways and trunk roads) and it is clocked off when you leave.  Local roads could be toll-free but the upkeep covered by a standard RFL for all vehicles.

Many UK routes already have ANPR technology to track miscreants and tax dodgers, so not much change would be required.

Posted on 06/02/2022 08:07

A recipe for "rat run" activity to escalate.

JVB66 replied on 06/02/2022 08:45

Posted on 06/02/2022 08:07 by cyberyacht

A recipe for "rat run" activity to escalate.

Posted on 06/02/2022 08:45

 The extra time it would take via "rat runs" that in our area are mostly covered with the installation of traffic carming measures would it be worth it for a few pence?

Cornersteady replied on 06/02/2022 09:07

Posted on 06/02/2022 09:07

Just for interest there are according to a quick search over 700,000 cars on UK roads illegally without tax, or VED. Multiply that by the lowest band and you can see how much is 'lost' already.

SeasideBill replied on 06/02/2022 11:07

Posted on 05/02/2022 23:51 by Rocky 2 buckets

So how do they gain from it-how being the operative word🤷🏻‍♂️. It’s easy to say ‘they circumvent the payment system’ but how do they do that🙄🤔

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:07

Cloning and using the identity of others. It’s the basis of most internet fraud and I don’t see why road pricing would be any different. If it’s lucrative, then clever fraudsters will target it. Banks spend £billions on trying to keep one step ahead every year. An account based system regularly receiving data from a network of tracking systems will get hacked and circumvented in ways we’re yet to see.

Unless they all fill up and drive off, at least the 700k avoiding VED probably pay for fuel so are paying some duty. It used to take me about 3 weeks to recover my ‘fines’ courtesy of some lowlife cloning my car reg.

SteveL replied on 06/02/2022 11:08

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:08

I wonder how they intend to tackle size of vehicle, as I assume there will be different charges due to the amount of surface damage caused by heavier vehicles. Would every vehicle require a specific fitted unit. Or would you just have the one, like with our Emovis  tag and sensors along the roadside would establish vehicle type, as in class 1 or 2 in France and the unit would communicate its presence and entry into the charged sector. It also raises the issue as to wether caravans would be charged for. It always amazed me when we owned one, that it was free from any sort of road tax, as it significantly increased how much rubbish my XTrail was pumping out.

brue replied on 06/02/2022 11:22

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:22

Like this truck?! TESCO (link) Yes it will be interesting how taxes are raised, whichever way we'll all be paying something.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 06/02/2022 11:54

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:07 by SeasideBill

Cloning and using the identity of others. It’s the basis of most internet fraud and I don’t see why road pricing would be any different. If it’s lucrative, then clever fraudsters will target it. Banks spend £billions on trying to keep one step ahead every year. An account based system regularly receiving data from a network of tracking systems will get hacked and circumvented in ways we’re yet to see.

Unless they all fill up and drive off, at least the 700k avoiding VED probably pay for fuel so are paying some duty. It used to take me about 3 weeks to recover my ‘fines’ courtesy of some lowlife cloning my car reg.

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:54

So, Govt agencies will continue to allow this to happen without systems of integrity to stop it. Even with the VED we have now, why isn’t there an uproar about this🤷🏻‍♂️😤

SeasideBill replied on 06/02/2022 12:03

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:54 by Rocky 2 buckets

So, Govt agencies will continue to allow this to happen without systems of integrity to stop it. Even with the VED we have now, why isn’t there an uproar about this🤷🏻‍♂️😤

Posted on 06/02/2022 12:03

Such is life….

Banks make provision for £billion of losses as part of doing business on the web. Why should Govt agencies be any different? In reality it will be contracted out to some half-competent facilities management company. The only bit that really bothers me is how easy and quick it is to get my money refunded when I’m the victim? Internet fraudsters lurk in the shadows, at least VED dodgers have UK registered names & addresses!

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