Is it time to raise basic tax rate?

tigerfish replied on 18/11/2016 14:22

Posted on 18/11/2016 14:22

I hope that this does not become a Political Football because ALL Goverments have followed  similar Policies.

But today we are constantly hearing that our Police, Prisons, National Health, Defence etc etc are all in almost terminal decline due to underfunding.

Yet when I were now't but a lad, and Pontious was a Pilot, I recall that I believe I was paying about 30% basic rate of income tax.  Then we had properly funded public services and armed forces to defend us.  There were very few additional hidden stealth taxes so you knew where you were.

Then it became the fashion of Govts of all colours to reduce that basic rate in stages down to the current 20%.  But it seems that there is now no money to do anything. I hate the trend towards more and more hidden stealth taxes and personally would rather pay a more sensible general rate, and get back some proper public services. Or is it just me?

Please NO political dogma or blame etc. Just a straight forward view on whether paying a bit more tax to get a better service would be better, or is it better to do it the way we are?

So to rule out the arguements Straight forward answer.

(a) Pay more basic rate

(B) Stay as now.

Nothing more!

TF

tigerfish replied on 19/11/2016 00:58

Posted on 19/11/2016 00:58

Actually it was the debate that I wanted to stimulate.  I agree without reservation that the question is far more complicated than either A or B. Otherwise the solution would have been found a long time ago.

Nevertheless I do feel that most of the public services have long since swallowed all of their own fat, and we do need to better fund them. Just how, I am at a loss to understand.

TF

peedee replied on 19/11/2016 07:28

Posted on 19/11/2016 07:28

They could start introducing a small charge for parts of the service used, e.g. why should you not pay something towards food when in hospital? We already pay something towards dental charges.

Use more national lottery money to support essential services.

Just a couple of ideas.

peedee

Fisherman replied on 19/11/2016 08:18

Posted on 19/11/2016 08:18

Havnt seen any "savings"in Local Authority only cuts in essential services. The sexy fringes still gets done with gutso.We have 22 LA in Wales for the same population as Birmingham and yes an Assembly. Soaks up all the cash in "administration"

tigerfish replied on 19/11/2016 08:43

Posted on 19/11/2016 08:43

Gosh, Then you are lucky!  My Local Authority is a mere shadow of what it once was. Staff levels are way down, and it takes a lot longer to get things done now. Planning decisions take ages. Grass verges not cut beyond one meter from the kerb. Bus subsidies cut back so a lot of rural routes no longer supported. PCSO's no longer paid for as extra's so numbers down. I could go on.

Parish Councils now having to bear much of the burdon of grass cutting, emptying dog bins etc, and such things as youth clubs etc.

TF

Touringboy replied on 19/11/2016 09:27

Posted on 19/11/2016 09:27

Parish Councils have a fraction of the budget district councils have. The real first step to saving money in local government is to do away with county and District and have unitray authorities.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 19/11/2016 09:29

Posted on 19/11/2016 09:29

Even more strain on the tax resources as they have announced that Buck Palace is to be allocated £369 million for much needed restoration. See here.

My opinion is that we pay enough income tax and VAT already. As for volunteering to help councils by doing things like picking up litter, I have been known to do that off my own bat, stiffer fines for people who drop litter would suit me and don’t get me started on dog owners who don't pick up mess.Yell

HRH has £23Billion, She should downsize from Buck Palace & turn it into accommodation for those in need, cheap social housing. Austerity seems to be for certain parts of society apparently not all. Yes!!!, I hear you say-'He should be a Politician'Laughing

IanH replied on 19/11/2016 09:46

Posted on 19/11/2016 09:46

Even more strain on the tax resources as they have announced that Buck Palace is to be allocated £369 million for much needed restoration. See here.

My opinion is that we pay enough income tax and VAT already. As for volunteering to help councils by doing things like picking up litter, I have been known to do that off my own bat, stiffer fines for people who drop litter would suit me and don’t get me started on dog owners who don't pick up mess.Yell

HRH has £23Billion, She should downsize from Buck Palace & turn it into accommodation for those in need, cheap social housing. Austerity seems to be for certain parts of society apparently not all. Yes!!!, I hear you say-'He should be a Politician'Laughing

Completely agree, Rocky......!

IanH replied on 19/11/2016 09:48

Posted on 19/11/2016 09:48

Here's a suggestion for savings.......get rid of parish councils (if you had ever been to a meeting of ours, you would see why!), halve the number of local councillors, dump the notion of locally elected mayors, cut the number of MP's by about a third, get rid of the house of lords.....and of course the royal family.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 19/11/2016 09:49

Posted on 19/11/2016 09:49

Even more strain on the tax resources as they have announced that Buck Palace is to be allocated £369 million for much needed restoration. See here.

My opinion is that we pay enough income tax and VAT already. As for volunteering to help councils by doing things like picking up litter, I have been known to do that off my own bat, stiffer fines for people who drop litter would suit me and don’t get me started on dog owners who don't pick up mess.Yell

HRH has £23Billion, She should downsize from Buck Palace & turn it into accommodation for those in need, cheap social housing. Austerity seems to be for certain parts of society apparently not all. Yes!!!, I hear you say-'He should be a Politician'Laughing

Completely agree, Rocky......!

Thank you Ian, but I'll never be a PoliticianLaughing

Kennine replied on 19/11/2016 09:50

Posted on 19/11/2016 09:50

Even more strain on the public purse is the obscene amount of money that it is going to cost to repair the outdated, crumbling and creaking buildings of the palace of Westminster.

Much better to build a new parliament building outside of London , perhaps between Brum and Manchester and knock that old ruin in London down.. Im sure there would be many property developers desperate to pay good money.for that site beside the Thames. A win win situation all round.

Cheers .......K

 

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