Invisible

Totally agree with you Steve people should wear light things at night to be visible, however, when you talk invisible how many cars have you seen lined up outside most schools whilst parents are dropping off or picking their children up,  the line of cars makes people crossing the road invisible, I have raised this with various people but no one seems to care.

Getting a little off thread. My OP was to point out that too many folk on foot and otherwise don't take personal responsibilty and wear things/do things that will make them visible to others when out in the dark or poor weather conditions

laws or not, we should all take responsibility for our own safety 

I agree with that - but a bit of 'friendly law enforcement' made me certain that I never cycled without lights again.  

Cyclists, in this area, certainly ride without lights or reflectors!  They, and the pedestrians or dog-walkers ought to know better, especially as some years ago a dog-walker and both his dogs were killed on the lane I mentioned!

Unfortunately some people are just irresponsible and don't take personal responsibility for anything - especially something as mundane as making sure you can be seen at night!  We have toyed with making up a reflective sign - something like 'This sign can be seen in the dark, you probably can't' and sticking it up on our gate to alert the many people who pass on a dog-walk, wearing dark clothes, with dark dogs, on dark nights!

 .... I remember being stopped by PC Snailham, our local and much feared bobby, who asked me to turn my bike lights on to prove that they were working.   ..... 

Sounds a proper Jobsworth to me ..... 

Been out today and passed a class of children with teachers in crocodile formation and everyone person had a hi-viz vest on

I think the majority of schools are very aware of the problems of visability of pupils and staff,our local primary tried to encourage parents and children to form "walking bus" routes but it was not successfull as the usuall "excuses" were put forward of

1  Too early for my child?

2  Cannot get to joining point?

3  Will be late back for tea with sibling?

that is just a few 

As I mentioned on another thread there are shortages of school places in some areas, due to this some children have to travel miles to go to school even primary ages. All 4 of my grandchildren have to be taken to school to by car as its too far to walk (next village) despite the fact that  1 pair of them live within sight of a primary/junior school.