I hope this is a wind up!

Merve replied on 19/08/2018 13:41

Posted on 19/08/2018 13:41

My wife read out something this morning from the Daily Mail website which I hope is one big joke! Chief Constable Anthony Bangham of the West Mercier force has suggested that the ‘margins’  for speeding allowance be removed completely and that even 1mph over the speed limit would end in a £100 fine. What a cash cow! He must have taken the blue pill (no pun intended) and joined the automatons who can’t think past the initial suggestion. To be fair, it is only a suggestion. Comments please. 

Vulcan replied on 19/08/2018 15:21

Posted on 19/08/2018 15:21

Can't see how they could make it stick, speedometers cannot be accurate due to the variation in tyre diameter due to wear and manufacturing tolerences etc.

Tinwheeler replied on 19/08/2018 15:23

Posted on 19/08/2018 14:43 by DavidKlyne

He has definitely said it at a recent conference that he thinks the 10% margin over the speed limit should be scraped. Obviously no one would condone breaking the speed limit but I would want reassurance that any equipment used to measure the speed of a vehicle was 100% accurate but could anyone actually give that guarantee? If not it can't be done. I assume the reason for the 10% margin is because accuracy cannot be guaranteed? There would have to be some proof that being within that 10% margin was actually responsible for more accidents which I somehow doubt. 

David

Posted on 19/08/2018 15:23

I understand the monitoring equipment has to be calibrated, David, and I read of a case being thrown out of court when the police couldn’t produce evidence of calibration.

moulesy replied on 19/08/2018 15:26

Posted on 19/08/2018 15:26

Well I must say I'm shocked!

Merve - how come an obviously very discerning lady such as your wife actually reads the Daily Mail, let alone takes what it says seriously?  laughingsurprisedlaughing

replied on 19/08/2018 15:52

Posted on 19/08/2018 15:52

Somebody has to read it as it UK's most popular daily I think

crusader replied on 19/08/2018 16:12

Posted on 19/08/2018 16:12

I quite agree that a 1mph allowance did you read the bit that you can do 79 mph on the motorway without getting fined this is not on, either we have speed limits which are there to protect everyone or we don't. How many times have I read on the club site caravan and motor  home owner complain about supposedly speading HGV 's

I live on a main road which has a 30mph limit which most do not do, so I am in favour of any measure to reduce speed. And you satnav will give you a better idea of your speed

Paul

Merve replied on 19/08/2018 16:36

Posted on 19/08/2018 14:23 by Tinwheeler

I told you I could see both sides of the argument but there’s no way I’m going to condone lawbreaking, Merve.

Posted on 19/08/2018 16:36

Have I asked you to condone lawbreaking??? I can also see both sides and in an ideal world it would work. Unfortunately it’s not an ideal world. Odometers would have to be spot on to make this work. When I was a police officer we had to go to a chosen ‘mile’ and check the odometer each time we put a name in the book for speeding. Now, it’s just a photo so I say again, because of the innacuracies of speedos, we will have to travel at 2or 3 miles below the speed limit to be sure of staying within the law.

Vulcan replied on 19/08/2018 16:39

Posted on 19/08/2018 16:12 by crusader

I quite agree that a 1mph allowance did you read the bit that you can do 79 mph on the motorway without getting fined this is not on, either we have speed limits which are there to protect everyone or we don't. How many times have I read on the club site caravan and motor  home owner complain about supposedly speading HGV 's

I live on a main road which has a 30mph limit which most do not do, so I am in favour of any measure to reduce speed. And you satnav will give you a better idea of your speed

Paul

Posted on 19/08/2018 16:39

In principle you are correct, the problem is that until speedometers are GPS powered they cannot possibly be accurate for reasons I gave in my previous post and as such you cannot be prosecuted for something you have no way of knowing.

Tinwheeler replied on 19/08/2018 17:01

Posted on 19/08/2018 16:36 by Merve

Have I asked you to condone lawbreaking??? I can also see both sides and in an ideal world it would work. Unfortunately it’s not an ideal world. Odometers would have to be spot on to make this work. When I was a police officer we had to go to a chosen ‘mile’ and check the odometer each time we put a name in the book for speeding. Now, it’s just a photo so I say again, because of the innacuracies of speedos, we will have to travel at 2or 3 miles below the speed limit to be sure of staying within the law.

Posted on 19/08/2018 17:01

Hey, no need to get spiky, Merve. I didn’t say you asked me to condone law breaking. It was merely a statement.

Saying I could see both sides of the argument meant I accepted all the points you make, even if technology has negated some of it, but I still say the law is the law and we should not expect it to be OK to break it. 

Why do you call the Chief Constable a "cash cow"? I think that's rather a hasty assumption.

Metheven replied on 19/08/2018 17:08

Posted on 19/08/2018 17:08

As tyres wear and the diameter reduces then a speedo will over-read so less chance of breaking the limit.

Just don't go above the indicated speedo reading and due to the manufacturers overead calibration everyone will be happy. Its people that want to push their luck by one or two extra MPH that are worrying about the loss of margin.

Speedo's cannot be GPS powered until our reliance on the USA military satellite is kicked into touch, its accuracy varies daily. Also atmospheric conditions, buildings, trees etc.

 

Kennine replied on 19/08/2018 17:10

Posted on 19/08/2018 16:36 by Merve

Have I asked you to condone lawbreaking??? I can also see both sides and in an ideal world it would work. Unfortunately it’s not an ideal world. Odometers would have to be spot on to make this work. When I was a police officer we had to go to a chosen ‘mile’ and check the odometer each time we put a name in the book for speeding. Now, it’s just a photo so I say again, because of the innacuracies of speedos, we will have to travel at 2or 3 miles below the speed limit to be sure of staying within the law.

Posted on 19/08/2018 17:10

I fully agree with this post. Well said Merve.  It's good to read the opinion of those who really know what they are talking about. smile

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