Heathrow - Additional Runway

tigerfish replied on 25/10/2016 14:09

Posted on 25/10/2016 14:09

The Govt have announced today that the location selected for a new Runway will be Heathrow instead of Gatwick.

Now I can see the arguement for both locations but I remain unconvinced that either of those two locations was the correct answer.  I fully accept that the demand has outstripped our capacity and that as a result our commerce is suffering at the very time that we need to up our game.

But did anyone consider Lynham just off the M4 and a little SW of Swindon?  The ex RAF station became famous as the home of the RAF's Hercules fleet, but as the Govt foolishly cut back on our Armed Services Lynham was closed as an RAF station, and the assets were moved to Brize Norton.   I believe that the Ex Lynham base is now an Army camp,  the runway being virtually unused.

So why not develop that old base?  Yes the runway will probably require refurbishment, but the basis of a viable new Airport is there and could have been built at a fraction of the cost of developing either Heathrow or Gatwick.   It is ideally located to serve the whole of Southern England and with access  to both road and rail links.

TF

Justus2 replied on 25/10/2016 16:16

Posted on 25/10/2016 16:16

A good deal of freight is in the hold of passenger aircraft...Only some is on freight dedicated aircraft.. I believe.

JVB66 replied on 25/10/2016 16:25

Posted on 25/10/2016 16:25

The "big" argument for Heathrow is that its used as a Hub for shorthaul feeders including freight ,to connect with worldwide longhaul ,  other options would restrict this as it is at capacity now,    it only needs a small problem now and the knock on effect is large,

Where we are we can quite often tell if Heathrow have a problem as we live near their "north stack", which in turn brings more aircraft to London City ,Stanstead, Luton and RAF Northolt over us

 

IanH replied on 25/10/2016 16:45

Posted on 25/10/2016 16:45

Other than Lyneham, HMG have closed down loads of RAF / AAF fields that would have had plenty of suitable runway available - instant solutions.

Similarly, Manston in Kent was quite capable of taking commercial airline traffic (it did!) but is now stood idle and likely to be built on.

Why cram another runway into an already over-congested area?

ivorwetwun replied on 25/10/2016 16:50

Posted on 25/10/2016 16:50

Should have been built on the old Llanwern site, near Newport. Five miles of flat land, there were several enquiries years ago, but apparently there was a rare newt in the way.

One or two miles from the M4, rail link alongside, would have bee ideal, as it would have relieved a lot of air traffic from around the London area.

Could close Cardiff airport as road and rail links non existent as well as Bristol for same reasons.

JVB66 replied on 25/10/2016 16:56

Posted on 25/10/2016 16:56

There was a wonderfull opportunity some years ago to convert RAF Alconbury,to commecial use when the Yanks moved out, it has/had a huge runway ,and great transport links with the A1M one side and the  East Coast Main line the other,

But of course a certain John Major lives close byUndecided

IanH replied on 25/10/2016 16:59

Posted on 25/10/2016 16:59

There was a wonderfull opportunity some years ago to convert RAF Alconbury,to commecial use when the Yanks moved out, it has/had a huge runway ,and great transport links with the A1M one side and the  East Coast Main line the other,

But of course a certain John Major lives close byUndecided

That is one of the ones that I had in mind.....

Navigateur replied on 25/10/2016 17:03

Posted on 25/10/2016 17:03

Wherever the increase in capacity is provided it was needed 10 years ago and it will be another 10 years at least to be operational what with inquiries and folk chained to trees.

So by then we will be out of Europe, so who will need to be flying where then?

IanH replied on 25/10/2016 17:04

Posted on 25/10/2016 17:04

Wherever the increase in capacity is provided it was needed 10 years ago and it will be another 10 years at least to be operational what with inquiries and folk chained to trees.

So by then we will be out of Europe, so who will need to be flying where then?

Exactly the same as now, I would have thought.......

brue replied on 25/10/2016 17:15

Posted on 25/10/2016 17:15

I'm not a fan but can understand the need, moving it elsewhere would also create further big infrastructure problems. Looking at the proposals around the M25 it's going to have huge planning issues.

volvoman9 replied on 25/10/2016 19:03

Posted on 25/10/2016 19:03

Moulseley & V9,  I think that you may misunderstand me.  At the end of the day I fully support the concept that London does require additional runway capacity, and if it has to be Heathrow, so beit.   I am just a little concerned about what it will do to the area surrounding Heathrow at the moment.

It will require the leveling of many hundreds of homes, yes they will receive compensation etc, but it will disrupt lives, and add to the existing pollution in that already congested area.

Then I look at many other cities, - Tokyo for example ( You cannot get much more cosmopolitan), and its airport Narita.  Narita was built as the new Tokyo airport about 30 years ago and it is a very long way outside Tokyo's envireons. 

Then I see that great runway at Lynham, unused, and I just wonder?  Moulseley I do accept what you say, but would the cost of improving both rail and road links to Lynham come anywhere close to the enormous cost being projected for the Heathrow extension?

I'm certainly not going to get excited about it either way, I'm just a bit troubled I suppose.

TF

No problem Brian i dont know a lot about the ins and outs of this runway scheme my comment was,nt directed at your post it was directed at this constant nimby attitude we seem to have in this country no matter what the project is be it road,rail or airports.

peter.

 

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