Cows kept indoors

You never were 'controlling numbers' with fox-hunting.......you were just satisfying a primitive urge to kill animals smaller than yourself......

You never were 'controlling numbers' with fox-hunting.......you were just satisfying a primitive urge to kill animals smaller than yourself......

Truer words were never spoken.

How do you think you can find a foxin1000 acres of dense conifer woods. Its your ignorance of the reality of rural life that says it all.

Fisherman, with respect, the fact that you so often fall back on lines like "your ignorance of the reality of rural life" and insults like "bunny huggers" simply shows the weakness of your argument. Many of us who grew up and still live in the countryside are opposed to fox hunting and factory farming. It doesn't make us ignorant. It just means we have a different view to yours. That is allowed isn't it?

This idea of cows being inside is a modern one. My father was a farmer who milked cows and they were out all year round. Cattle naturally thrive outdoors, they were originally woodland grazers, and penning them up inside is probably the cause of so many diseases as it is an entirely unnatural environment.

Cows are now bred to give unaturally large quantities of milk and suffer from udder problems as a result. These new milking units containing hundreds of cows are appalling bad for animal welfare. This is not a question of humanising animals, it is a question of giving them as natural a life as possible.I have no problem eating meat or any other animal product but I go out of my way to ensure proper welfare standards have been observed in the production

The problem is the majority of the British population are urban dwellers, and have no concept of how their food is produced. Battery hens are a case in point. If people refused to buy anything but free range eggs then there would be no battery houses. But, they just want it cheap and to hell with welfare. 

.......catch up - do - battery cages were banned a long time ago. The country isn't big enough to cover it in enough land for total free range farming! We all have a choice - if we don't like the idea of intensive farming we can always by organically certified produce. 

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... battery cages were banned a long time ago. . 

Errr? Just 4 years ago  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-124834/Battery-hens-banned.html

Different is the Red brigade on horseback and us farmers who use hounds to flush foxes to be shot. The ignorants could not understand the difference. We are now blighted in the countryside by cowboys going out  at night with rifles and lamps. They very often only wound a fox and once out of their lights linger on.We are left to pick up the pieces and very often its these wounded animals that cause the mayhem at lambing time.Instead of having been humanly dispatched they have to take an easy option of killing defencless lambs. Do you wonder why we are incensed at the system imposed on us for no logical reason.Its only a mater of time before one  of those rifle shots (lethal at up to 1 mile) causes human casualities.It could easily be your caravan or tent.

Zero grazing is nothing new.I wasinvolved in it  inDerbyshire 30 years ago.vHave been out most morningsover the last 14 days at 6.15 am, trying to kill foxes which are decimating the new lambs here. Because of the misguided politicians and bunny huggers we cant control the fox numbers now with hounds. At the present rate it wont be long before sheep will have to be kept indoors year round to keep them safe.

...I understand in this area that more lambs/sheep are killed by uncontrolled dogs than foxes 

Different is the Red brigade on horseback and us farmers who use hounds to flush foxes to be shot. The ignorants could not understand the difference. We are now blighted in the countryside by cowboys going out  at night with rifles and lamps. They very often only wound a fox and once out of their lights linger on.We are left to pick up the pieces and very often its these wounded animals that cause the mayhem at lambing time.Instead of having been humanly dispatched they have to take an easy option of killing defencless lambs. Do you wonder why we are incensed at the system imposed on us for no logical reason.Its only a mater of time before one  of those rifle shots (lethal at up to 1 mile) causes human casualities.It could easily be your caravan or tent.

...That also applys to rabbit culls with infrared lamps,and in some areas badgers, 

Good point, JVB.