UK sites with metered electricity

eurortraveller replied on 11/11/2021 09:59

Posted on 11/11/2021 09:59

Can people please post some examples of UK sites where electricity.usage is metered.

The one I know of is Pier Collage on the waterside at Coniston - a family owned site with 15 pitches . The system there is to pay on departure for the amount of electricity used, but other sites sell pre paid cards on arrival, so comments on the different ways of working may be helpful.

Likes and dislikes will inevitably crop up - they always do on here - but I was rather looking for practical ways of working. 

 

Cornersteady replied on 13/11/2021 16:38

Posted on 13/11/2021 15:51 by obbernockle

"Personally, and yes shame on me no doubt, I am not bothered about how much is used and don't want to know. I just want to have a holiday."

This is what you posted.

Posted on 13/11/2021 16:38

I'm not sure what you're trying to say or point out. Your original post and my whole post reply is on page 9. I'll leave it there.

replied on 13/11/2021 16:47

Posted on 13/11/2021 16:14 by young thomas

PD posts....

"First of all not all Spanish sites do it, some have inclusive prices as well?

These are usually only applied to short stays where you pay more to pitch. Long stays are metered and the pitch price is much much cheaper."

on our winter site, stays of upto 31 days at set at x per night, inclusive of 4kwh per day....notice, this still needs to be metered to check one is within the allocation, even if it's 'included'...

stays beyond this are at a lower rate but all the electric is metered and charged, this year, at €0.40 per kWh.

so, the meters are used for all stays, it's just the pitch price and charging mechanism that's different...all super slick, using modern technology in umpteen languages.

again, could I see the Club being able to set up and administer something like this....?....

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peedee replied on 13/11/2021 16:57

Posted on 13/11/2021 16:57

BB I can also operate within this 4Kw limit but only running the fridge and occasional use of an 850w kettle. We cook solely on gas, everything else in my van, except water and space heating, runs off 12volts.. I have never actually checked what water heating and space heating would use if run on electric but  those that have come up with figures approaching 40Kw in the winter. A thermostatically controlled 2Kw heater run for 12 hours per day could easily use 24Kwh over 24 hours  I reckon 12Kw is a pretty conservative figure given what some LV owners could be using with all their domestic kettles and electrical cooking devices.

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cyberyacht replied on 13/11/2021 17:20

Posted on 13/11/2021 17:20

Number of points. This 40Kw figure is indeed mind-boggling. That is practically as much as I use in a 3 bed detached house with all the electrical appliances that one usually finds therein.

CAMC can't profit from leccy? Maybe not but can they not make a standing charge for the use of the bollard plus a relevant tariff for consumption. That enables recouping the cost of metering.

I think it was Corners protesting that he didn't have Alde with a timer for heating. I haven't either but many of us have Truma and, whilst I haven't examined its capabilities to the full, I'm sure it has a timer function, presumably to turn stuff on at a set time.

Quick solution for CAMC to start to make a small difference. Ban electric heaters in awnings (often empty if posts on here are to be believed). Bit draconian to stop them using their own gas, however detrimental to the planet.

Cornersteady replied on 13/11/2021 17:39

Posted on 13/11/2021 17:20 by cyberyacht

Number of points. This 40Kw figure is indeed mind-boggling. That is practically as much as I use in a 3 bed detached house with all the electrical appliances that one usually finds therein.

CAMC can't profit from leccy? Maybe not but can they not make a standing charge for the use of the bollard plus a relevant tariff for consumption. That enables recouping the cost of metering.

I think it was Corners protesting that he didn't have Alde with a timer for heating. I haven't either but many of us have Truma and, whilst I haven't examined its capabilities to the full, I'm sure it has a timer function, presumably to turn stuff on at a set time.

Quick solution for CAMC to start to make a small difference. Ban electric heaters in awnings (often empty if posts on here are to be believed). Bit draconian to stop them using their own gas, however detrimental to the planet.

Posted on 13/11/2021 17:39

protesting CY? I'm not sure why you use that phrase but I'm not protesting anything just stating a fact that I don't have Alde but I do have a Truma blown air unit but it does not have any timer on it nor any means of connecting the Truma app. Later models do but not mine. I assume that is OK? Like I said if I had I would use it.

plus a relevant tariff for consumption I think that is illegal?

As I said I can stay very comfortably warm with my (Truma) unit set at 900W all day long.

Btw I think it is you who is protesting about not being able to gas, actually a good idea, isn't gas bad and electricity greener? Or is your motorhoming on gas more important than the planet? smile

 

 

Tinwheeler replied on 13/11/2021 17:51

Posted on 13/11/2021 17:51

"CAMC can't profit from leccy? Maybe not but can they not make a standing charge for the use of the bollard plus a relevant tariff for consumption. That enables recouping the cost of metering."

That's crazy, CY, and probably in breach of an SSA rules. It's charging twice and akin to your local garage charging a fee for use of the pump on top of the cost of the diesel.😂😂

young thomas replied on 13/11/2021 18:05

Posted on 13/11/2021 18:05

Some UK sites certainly charge 'with EHU' or 'without EHU'...I've seen as much as £7 difference in the tariff.

im guessing they are not 'reselling' electric, merely providing access to a 'service'?

if so, the club could do this without breaking rules or incurring huge cost?

CaravanRamblings replied on 13/11/2021 18:32

Posted on 13/11/2021 18:05 by young thomas

Some UK sites certainly charge 'with EHU' or 'without EHU'...I've seen as much as £7 difference in the tariff.

im guessing they are not 'reselling' electric, merely providing access to a 'service'?

if so, the club could do this without breaking rules or incurring huge cost?

Posted on 13/11/2021 18:32

You can certainly charge different pitch rates with or without electric hookup. You can't meter and make a per unit profit unless you are an approved supplier.

I made a facetious comment that anyone can become an electricity supplier because that's what happened with all the dodgy energy companies who bought a pre-packed licence for a few thousand quid!

Given most pitches have a bollard, enabling folks to rent a pitch without allowing them to hook-up would be a challenge.

Only one site we have stayed at in Spain was un-metered. The rest charged about double the cost (more in Germany). Safefill works out about 0.15 EU per unit. We were burning through a bottle in less than 7 days in cooler weather. 10kgs is 150 units over say 5 or 6 days so we were certainly fairly high usage..

Having said that, our bungalow uses 130 to 150 kWh a day when weather is cold so by heating the van and maybe even the awning as opposed to the house we are still saving the planet!!!!!

Tinwheeler replied on 13/11/2021 18:59

Posted on 13/11/2021 18:05 by young thomas

Some UK sites certainly charge 'with EHU' or 'without EHU'...I've seen as much as £7 difference in the tariff.

im guessing they are not 'reselling' electric, merely providing access to a 'service'?

if so, the club could do this without breaking rules or incurring huge cost?

Posted on 13/11/2021 18:59

Exactly. Many commercial sites and the C&CC raise a charge for use of the hook up bollard. That’s quite legal and gives customers the choice of having lekky or not. However, the C&CC have specific non-EHU pitches on grass but you can’t use a with EHU pitch without paying the fee for use of the bollard.

That gets around the issue of satisfying those who don’t want EHU but doesn’t address the concerns of people who believe we should all pay for what we use via metering. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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