Split school holidays again

mbee1 replied on 05/10/2022 12:17

Posted on 05/10/2022 12:17

I sometimes wonder if the is anyone at EG who has any common sense. The autumn half term in 2023 generally starts on Monday 30 October 2023.  So, once again, like they did with the spring bank holiday week this year, you can only book a part week.  I now have to wait until the beginning of November 2022 to get the rest of my week booked.

Surely when it comes to school holidays, a more common sense approach to when you can book to should prevail.

SteveL replied on 05/10/2022 16:52

Posted on 05/10/2022 16:52

You would have thought so. However, as has been well demonstrated by the manner of release of the new booking system, they don’t do common sense very well.

Cornersteady replied on 05/10/2022 17:05

Posted on 05/10/2022 17:05

Notwithstanding any justified complaints about the club's recent operations half terms in England never (usually and I can't remember any) go into November, they will probably be the week of Monday 23rd.

I've checked Nottinghamshire mbee and they are the 23rd October 2023. Unless your school or authority will have different dates?

https://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/3082397/2023-2024-school-term-dates.pdf

I've also done a quick check through five other areas and it's all been the 23rd October so far. To be a little fair to the club it can't know all the differing half term dates for the whole country?

Post edit: I've just found out Sunderland and Newcastle have different dates!!! One is 23rd, the other the 30th, so I would check with your school direct. Of course academies can set their own dates irrespective of LEA dates as well.

Post edit 2 , it looks as though some places are having a two week half term? Do teachers do any work?wink

JVB66 replied on 05/10/2022 17:13

Posted on 05/10/2022 17:05 by Cornersteady

Notwithstanding any justified complaints about the club's recent operations half terms in England never (usually and I can't remember any) go into November, they will probably be the week of Monday 23rd.

I've checked Nottinghamshire mbee and they are the 23rd October 2023. Unless your school or authority will have different dates?

I've also done a quick check through five other areas and it's all been the 23rd October so far. To be a little fair to the club it can't know all the differing half term dates for the whole country?

Post edit: I've just found out Sunderland and Newcastle have different dates!!! One is 23rd, the other the 30th, so I would check with your school direct. Of course academies can set their own dates irrespective of LEA dates as well.

Posted on 05/10/2022 17:13

When it was first posted about school half term we thought it odd and checking our county it shows 23rd October?

SteveL replied on 05/10/2022 17:42

Posted on 05/10/2022 17:05 by Cornersteady

Notwithstanding any justified complaints about the club's recent operations half terms in England never (usually and I can't remember any) go into November, they will probably be the week of Monday 23rd.

I've checked Nottinghamshire mbee and they are the 23rd October 2023. Unless your school or authority will have different dates?

https://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/3082397/2023-2024-school-term-dates.pdf

I've also done a quick check through five other areas and it's all been the 23rd October so far. To be a little fair to the club it can't know all the differing half term dates for the whole country?

Post edit: I've just found out Sunderland and Newcastle have different dates!!! One is 23rd, the other the 30th, so I would check with your school direct. Of course academies can set their own dates irrespective of LEA dates as well.

Post edit 2 , it looks as though some places are having a two week half term? Do teachers do any work?wink

Posted on 05/10/2022 17:42

Nottinghamshire half term dates do most certainly go into November in 2023. It wouldn’t be that difficult for the club to check, they are published online. They only have to go into the government website and put a few post codes in. Perhaps if they don’t check they won’t put the price up in the first week of November.😀

Cornersteady replied on 05/10/2022 19:33

Posted on 05/10/2022 17:42 by SteveL

Nottinghamshire half term dates do most certainly go into November in 2023. It wouldn’t be that difficult for the club to check, they are published online. They only have to go into the government website and put a few post codes in. Perhaps if they don’t check they won’t put the price up in the first week of November.😀

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:33

Well it caught me out and I'm a Ofsted inspectorsurprised

It's not as easy as the club doing that Steve as what is published online are LEA dates which do not apply to any academy which can set their own dates, and 80% of secondary school are academies and 64% of primary schools are part of a larger secondary academy trust so will follow them as well.

Also Nottingham also has a two week half term because they close so late for Christmas and in the summer so their first week is actually the 23rd.

What I've looked at since posting using government data is that the large majority of LEAs are 23rd October. 

In any case those dates won't be confirmed (legally) yet till they are approved by Governors sometime this term.

So taking all that into account I still say asking the club to check all 152 LEA's then check further with all academies is asking a bit too much. Of course perhaps they did as as the majority are 23rd the club went with that?

mbee1 replied on 05/10/2022 19:38

Posted on 05/10/2022 17:05 by Cornersteady

Notwithstanding any justified complaints about the club's recent operations half terms in England never (usually and I can't remember any) go into November, they will probably be the week of Monday 23rd.

I've checked Nottinghamshire mbee and they are the 23rd October 2023. Unless your school or authority will have different dates?

https://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/3082397/2023-2024-school-term-dates.pdf

I've also done a quick check through five other areas and it's all been the 23rd October so far. To be a little fair to the club it can't know all the differing half term dates for the whole country?

Post edit: I've just found out Sunderland and Newcastle have different dates!!! One is 23rd, the other the 30th, so I would check with your school direct. Of course academies can set their own dates irrespective of LEA dates as well.

Post edit 2 , it looks as though some places are having a two week half term? Do teachers do any work?wink

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:38

Yes we are in Nottinghamshire and we do get two weeks ending on 3 November 2023.  I work in education so know them.   Derbyshire only has one week and also ends on 3 November 2023.

Teachers also work extremely hard. 

mbee1 replied on 05/10/2022 19:46

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:33 by Cornersteady

Well it caught me out and I'm a Ofsted inspectorsurprised

It's not as easy as the club doing that Steve as what is published online are LEA dates which do not apply to any academy which can set their own dates, and 80% of secondary school are academies and 64% of primary schools are part of a larger secondary academy trust so will follow them as well.

Also Nottingham also has a two week half term because they close so late for Christmas and in the summer so their first week is actually the 23rd.

What I've looked at since posting using government data is that the large majority of LEAs are 23rd October. 

In any case those dates won't be confirmed (legally) yet till they are approved by Governors sometime this term.

So taking all that into account I still say asking the club to check all 152 LEA's then check further with all academies is asking a bit too much. Of course perhaps they did as as the majority are 23rd the club went with that?

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:46

Of course Governors approval will just be a formality. Certainly here in Nottinghamshire there was a debate a few years ago about Academies choosing their own holidays, when a number of secondaries chose different dates to their feeder primaries.  Needless to say, parents created such a fuss (and rightly so) that it didn’t happen again.

There is also a consultation in the county at the moment to fix Easter back to the “traditional” Easter break being the week before and the week after the Easter weekend. 

I’m not saying the powers that be should check all LA dates but where it spans more than one date, common sense should prevail.

Cornersteady replied on 05/10/2022 19:49

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:38 by mbee1

Yes we are in Nottinghamshire and we do get two weeks ending on 3 November 2023.  I work in education so know them.   Derbyshire only has one week and also ends on 3 November 2023.

Teachers also work extremely hard. 

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:49

They do indeed mbee. Perhaps you haven't been posting on here long enough to know I'm a retired teacher/DH who for years had to put up with teacher bashing over the years on here so my post was a tongue in cheek btw.

Was the two week half term always the case?

  

Wherenext replied on 05/10/2022 19:52

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:52

As the CAMC club do, at the latest check, incorporate other countries apart from England I would have thought trying to satisfy everyones needs a tad difficult.

Of course the accounting moles at EG will make sure that every possible week/s either side of the perceived majority start date (23/10) will be highly priced and just to make sure they take Scottish and Welsh dates into account may just decide to take October and November as half term knowing them.

Cornersteady replied on 05/10/2022 19:59

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:46 by mbee1

Of course Governors approval will just be a formality. Certainly here in Nottinghamshire there was a debate a few years ago about Academies choosing their own holidays, when a number of secondaries chose different dates to their feeder primaries.  Needless to say, parents created such a fuss (and rightly so) that it didn’t happen again.

There is also a consultation in the county at the moment to fix Easter back to the “traditional” Easter break being the week before and the week after the Easter weekend. 

I’m not saying the powers that be should check all LA dates but where it spans more than one date, common sense should prevail.

Posted on 05/10/2022 19:59

When I was a chair of Governors it certainly wasn't a formality and special care was taken over the dates to ensure no problems like you describe but also at the same time to balance the educational needs of pupils around a late or early Easter.

Fixing Easter as you suggest can cause problems with a late or early Easter. Terms need to be balanced for all sorts of reasons, some educational some not, and a late Easter especially causes problems with good preparation for any exams. One year we were back for only three weeks before exams started. 

Hope you get sorted out.

 

 

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