Prices too high or falling interest in camping

Mark Harvey replied on 23/05/2024 10:29

Posted on 23/05/2024 10:29

I am interested to hear people's thoughts on the, in my opinion, ridiculous increase in site fees. I am currently sitting in Thetford Forest site with I estimate about 20% capacity taken. We arrived at the first opening date earlier in the year for our previous visit here and again very low take up. Previous years it has been full on that date. Talking to other members, often unprompted the discussion is all about site fees. The cunning plan to initially give prices based on single occupancy when searching sites has been noticed. You used to price on assumption of couples. Please don't say you are being inclusive as still the majority are families or couples. Another excuse being peddled is the pandemic effect. Sorry, not buying it. I and my family are moving more and more to CL sites with CMC and CCC. I understand the issue about making ends meet, but charging more is pushing  members away. Surely more stays at a reasonable price equals more income. I have been a member for 40 years so I feel a loyalty to the club but that us being stretched. To prove my point I would direct you all to the relentless offers of discounts for various dates and sites. This never used to happen. Plus, to access these discounts is like taking a mensa test to match dates to sites etc. I welcome any views please.

Tinwheeler replied on 03/06/2024 18:22

Posted on 03/06/2024 18:22

Venture capitalists aren’t usually interested in small private limited companies. They tend to favour PLCs which are quoted on the Stock Exchange. Why sell to a venture capitalist when CAMC itself could sell its assets in the way you describe? 

However, I can’t see the connection between your musings and the topic raised in the OP.

Extugger replied on 03/06/2024 19:55

Posted on 25/05/2024 10:52 by Tinwheeler

Please don’t judge us all by one experience of a grumpy CL owner. Visitors are welcome and our economy depends largely on the tourist trade.

The Covid years saw the world and his wife visiting Cornwall. It was exceptionally busy and we could hardly set foot outside the door but normal times have resumed and the place is worth visiting again.

In general, local people drive confidently on our roads because they can judge the width of their vehicles and tend to get frustrated by visitors who crawl along hesitantly and, in many cases, don’t know how to reverse when needed. 

Posted on 03/06/2024 19:55

Tinners, I don't post very much anymore and have indeed stopped caravanning in UK. My last trip to Cornwall convinced me not to bother returning to your beautiful county.

As you stated, Cornwall relies on tourism and yet when the tourist takes the trouble to visit, are met with extortionate parking charges, inflated fuel prices, increased pitch costs and restaurants who, unless you speak in the local dialect, tell you their establishments are full - even when they're empty! On numerous occasions we were turned away from such establishments and on checking later  the same evening, found that many still had empty tables! Furthermore, an arduous journey home also had to be factored into the equation. 

I appreciate that my comments could be flawed but I can only speak as I find and am sure others will have experienced the same.

The infrastructure of Cornwall is such that it is no longer fit for purpose in our over crowded Island and is the reason I would not return. Some would say it adds to it's charm and it's difficult to disagree. However, the seasonal workers employed there need some serious training in the hospitality sector. 

With regard to the OP, I would suggest there are some very valid comments made as well as those made by others.

 

Tinwheeler replied on 03/06/2024 20:20

Posted on 03/06/2024 19:55 by Extugger

Tinners, I don't post very much anymore and have indeed stopped caravanning in UK. My last trip to Cornwall convinced me not to bother returning to your beautiful county.

As you stated, Cornwall relies on tourism and yet when the tourist takes the trouble to visit, are met with extortionate parking charges, inflated fuel prices, increased pitch costs and restaurants who, unless you speak in the local dialect, tell you their establishments are full - even when they're empty! On numerous occasions we were turned away from such establishments and on checking later  the same evening, found that many still had empty tables! Furthermore, an arduous journey home also had to be factored into the equation. 

I appreciate that my comments could be flawed but I can only speak as I find and am sure others will have experienced the same.

The infrastructure of Cornwall is such that it is no longer fit for purpose in our over crowded Island and is the reason I would not return. Some would say it adds to it's charm and it's difficult to disagree. However, the seasonal workers employed there need some serious training in the hospitality sector. 

With regard to the OP, I would suggest there are some very valid comments made as well as those made by others.

 

Posted on 03/06/2024 20:20

Your comments are certainly flawed insofar as Cornwall is not exclusively dear for tourists but is an expensive place to live for all of us. We live with those parking charges and restaurant prices year round and you must have noticed that fuel prices are high in rural areas and, the further west you go, the dearer it becomes due to transport costs from the refineries. Housing is expensive where it exists and wages are low while utilities cost an arm and a leg.

I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of us and our county but, there you go, it is what it is. Of course it doesn’t help that our infrastructure and services become stretched due to the influx of visitors but it’s the price we pay for living in a glorious place that’s the envy of many.

svpr replied on 03/06/2024 20:26

Posted on 03/06/2024 20:26

I too have been a member for over 40 years the club these days is unrecognisable, years back it was a members club these days its focused more on the business side. The club really should be focused on value for money for its members, sadly that's not the case, my kids are all grown up now and as such I only use a club site when it's discounted, the cls have gone up in price whilst saying that so have many of the facilities they provide. I am away in June on a reasonably priced club site and an even better price affiliated site, the club could do better that's for sure, they need to move forward and package things more attractively for families in my opinion. 

Cornersteady replied on 03/06/2024 20:58

Posted on 03/06/2024 20:58

It is interesting that a few years ago the comments on CT were to the effect that the club should modernise its approach, it was stuck in the past, it be more business like, streamline itself, offer more offers, prices on pitch should mirror supply and demand (DP), and be like other commercial providers, bring in deposits.

Yet when all this was done it's please can we go back to being a club?

As posted upthread somewhere by RC, which mirrors my own experience, that price isn't an issue. 

And families are certainly well cared for, always have been. For example kids are kids on CAMC sites till their 18th birthday unlike many other non club sites where it's 16 and often as low as 14.

Also the club has T&C which are really the best on offer for similar providers.

But as always as there are better and cheaper sites out there there is really no problem?   

Jogon replied on 03/06/2024 21:06

Posted on 03/06/2024 21:06

Not altogether the same but I read a post somewhere else yesterday where a family wanted to go to Alton Towers for a couple of nights with at least one day to include tickets to the park.

The price was so high they found and booked a weekend in the south of Spain for all four of them, including accommodation / airport tax and breakfast and they still had money left over for a night out.  

That pretty much sums it up, I don’t think the club have much wiggle room, it’s not them that set the rateable value for the sites, or the prices of gas/electric and I guess their overheads are not light.  I do think they could be a little more competitive but thats my personal opinion.

Tinwheeler replied on 03/06/2024 21:07

Posted on 03/06/2024 21:07

It amazes me that people are shocked at the rise in site prices while all around them costs have spiralled. Our weekly supermarket shop now costs around 50% more than pre-covid, fuel costs have escalated and, likewise, energy prices. Why then is it a surprise that the cost of a touring pitch, both club and non-club, has kept pace with the general increase in prices? 

mickysf replied on 03/06/2024 21:51

Posted on 03/06/2024 21:07 by Tinwheeler

It amazes me that people are shocked at the rise in site prices while all around them costs have spiralled. Our weekly supermarket shop now costs around 50% more than pre-covid, fuel costs have escalated and, likewise, energy prices. Why then is it a surprise that the cost of a touring pitch, both club and non-club, has kept pace with the general increase in prices? 

Posted on 03/06/2024 21:51

I agree that site price increases are commensurate with much of those witnessed in other aspects of our daily lives and outgoings. However, it’s how these increases are beginning to impinge on the less affluent and lower paid caravanning and camper vanning folk, particularly the younger families. For some of us oldies, not all I admit, we can absorb some of the hikes, not so our children, we are having to find more and more ways of helping them out in order to enjoy family holidays together with the grandchildren. Some won’t be so lucky!

mickysf replied on 03/06/2024 21:52

Posted on 03/06/2024 21:07 by Tinwheeler

It amazes me that people are shocked at the rise in site prices while all around them costs have spiralled. Our weekly supermarket shop now costs around 50% more than pre-covid, fuel costs have escalated and, likewise, energy prices. Why then is it a surprise that the cost of a touring pitch, both club and non-club, has kept pace with the general increase in prices? 

Posted on 03/06/2024 21:52

Sorry the site seems to playing up again or is it me!😉

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