Dornafield Touring Park

Two things....

1. although CY wrote this 'How are other organisations, presumably CAMC, having their customers inconvenienced?' in his post, I'm guessing it was a typo and he meant this 'How are other organisations, presumably C&CC, having their customers inconvenienced?' as the question obviously refers to other organisations NOT being inconvenienced despite offering this service.

2. 'Anywhere that offers overnight camping should be required to offer basic facilities.' that's fair enough, but the places we are discussing, like pub stops etc are offering 'overnight parking' NOT 'overnight Camping', there's a huge difference. No licence or certification required for parking at the local pub.

Overnight parking is a world away from an Occupied vehicle staying/parking? overnight

Yes, that was exactly what I said🤷🏻‍♂️

it's certainly not a requirement (nor always necessarily desirable) to have waste facilities at 'overnight parking' places. 

these can vary so much which is probably why they are not regulated as such and, thankfully, NOT being tied/linked to the provision waste facilities.

any such ruling would probably halt the pubstop initiative dead in its tracks and be thorn in the side of Campra and the like.

serious lack of understanding of MH usage in this thread, I'm afraid.

Or as with others who have and had motor caravans  very much appreciate how some motorcaravan owners would hope to portray the reasons some try to excuse their use of anywhere to stay as long as it is "cheap or free"

I don’t know how the other club organise their £7 dump service. I do know it allows a certain time on site and the use of other facilities. Presumably as most are closed in the morning, this limits it to afternoons. As you can’t really leave a MH blocking the service bay while you make use of other facilities, presumably it would be parked on a pitch allocated by the manager. That’s fine on C&CC sites as you are not free to choose from any available as on this clubs sites. Transfer the same scheme to the CAMC and MH’s having their 2 hours or so facility use would be blocking pitches that those arriving on site might wish to use.

OK you might say scrub that idea, just go for splash and dash. Well I seriously doubt that many would want to pay £7 for just that service and for any less it wouldn’t be worth the administration.

For us its about location.  Eg Louth cattle market - bang in the middle of Louth.  I think they do charge, and intend to provide facilities, but currently dont.  Places in Skipton also. Or the Canterbury Aire - facilities, at the P & R. Charges are carparking charges which cover your bus into Canterbury.  Much more convenient than a campsite.

JVB

Been to FM many times but its been years since we used the East side. The MSP on the West side is awful due mainly to its position right at the end of the pull in by the toilet block. It must cause congestion when the site is busy, especially on Sunday Morning as people start to leave after the weekend. I see there is a MSP point on the East side but I don't know if that is an open grill type?

David

The trouble is that assumes the situation viz a viz the numbers wanting such a service remains static. But there is the likelihood that providing such facilities will encourage more to seek non campsite places to park for the night. That in turn would reduce the numbers staying on campsites, perhaps not, initially, by any great numbers but it could become a growing trend? If that was the case site revenue could be lost. I am not suggesting by enough to put campsites out of business but it could impact annual income. So how much would the expected cost be on a Club site to provide that service? People keep mentioning the £7 charged by the C&CC. If the CMC was a reluctant convert to providing such a service I would reckon it would be at least £10 if not more. They currently charge non members an extra £13 a night to use Club sites so it wouldn't surprise me if they headed that way for use of the "splash and dash" facility. That would bring on a totally new argument about the Club charging too much

David

the design of their sites isnt conducive to extra vehicles on site, all adding to the one way stream. Their MHSP aren't in out of the way places, most being on the main A1 of each site which interferes with other club traffic at the best of times.

I'm not at all sure this is the case at all or certainly on the sites I've been to and I've never been held up anywhere by a MH using them.

Again as you say you have only used two campsites this year so your experience of the is limited to those but on the club sites I've used and I can think of five straight away they are not on the main A1 of each site and does not interfere with traffic at any good or bad times.

There are queues but this holds no one up except the MH's themselves queuing. They are on double laned parts of the roads where easily two MHs can easily wait allowing other traffic to pass the pass. However the space is limited and adding additional MH may cause real problems. 

I think the club's stance as you put it, which it states clearly, is not down to the design or places of these points but rather the more important safety aspects the possible congestion and the view it takes on 'wild camping'.