CAMpRA and the National Trust

...nor me....where did you spot that Steve?

ET, there's just no need to provide any facilities at all....we aren't ever going to replicate the aires system of Europe...just getting a new tranche of sites that provide cheap overnighting is a huge step for the UK.

It’s on the CAMC site web page and mentioned in several reviews.

And in that case where will you go to get drinking water, empty waste, garbage and sewage? The Club won’t let you “pop in” to one of their sites. 

At the prices being bandied about, it would seem that the NT don't really want to do this. As an NT member I certainly wouldn't expect to pay more than £10 for a night in a car park. ISTM that they haven't looked at pricing structures for similar facilities were they do exist.

There will be places...and some will be developed with facilities in the form of 'formal aires' but my point was that not every new 'overnighting' area needs to consider these facilities.

I don't see users being on a site like that for weeks on end, merely for a night (or two) here and there as part of a longer tour which would include stops at 'proper sites' where tanks can be refreshed, washing sorted etc...

I see folk dipping in to any new type of facility to provide convenient stops (overnight parking) when required, not as 'destinations' or a one type all the time set up.

yes, in Europe, with their vast resource of aires, one could easily tour for weeks on aires of varying simplicity and cost, most of which will have facilities, but not always every stopping place...

..but we will never get remotely close to this type of touring, the desire isn't there by those who could make it happen.

as I said, any tiny improvement over what we already have is great.

We have just been on a meet up weekend with several friends including a couple who travel from Ayr each year,  they stay in a holiday home on the site, ,that we and two other couples stay on the camping area,

They were in part jest.? Speaking about the amount of rubbish and efluent that is getting left in some areas  where they tend to travel to , by the Camping fraternity as they call us,

I obviously visit the wrong (right?) type of places as, in 11 years of bumbling round Europe, I've never seen 'effluent' where it shouldn't be nor a member of the 'camping fraternity' putting it where it shouldn't go...

..but then we've only used full fat sites, THS, CL/CS, the odd rally, Commercial sites, wild camping, aires, continental sites etc....perhaps we need to get out more?

one of my bugbears is that, where there are stopping and parking places, why are the bins never emptied often enough...surely popular spots (often with limited bins) need faster emptying turnover or more bins?

Have you ever considered contacting the LA or Highways and asked why?

Many it seems "stopping places? are now an easy fly tip areas

Ps I think the clue? was in the country they travel  from they were mostly talking about

Bins?🤔, or folk could hold onto their rubbish until somewhere to dispose of it safely can be found. It isn’t about a particular section of travellers it’s about attitude & being socially responsible whatever the country👍🏻