Bins on site.

I recall that it was a lady who posted the review saying that she is not very tall and has trouble lifting the lid. That sounds like me but it wasn't!  I have never, not been able to manage it at all.  If I did, I would simply ask someone to assist me.  It is a slight inconvenience to have to walk to the entrance to the site with rubbish or recycling, but hardly worth the hoo hah about it!

This topic seems to stem from the cost of supplying black bin bags. I have yet to see a club member with hands full of rubbish to place in a bin. Most of us if not all use a black bin bag to take our rubbish to the bin. 
Is that a reasonable statement? Therefore why do we need the club to place a bin liner in a bin?

Very true, plastic bags placed within plastic bags, plastic is costly and an eco problem everywhere. We try to reuse these where possible tipping the contents in the bins. A little effort I know but possible and can be used several times. I’ve been known to rinse them out too shaking them dry. When they first appeared many years ago my gran did exactly this and then dried them on the line outside not that I suggest that this should necessarily happen today mind. Surely even a small effort can help.

We take loose recycling to bins, never put it in a bag. We have a few plastic carrier bags in the van which we use for general rubbish and fruit and veg waste. We don’t produce enough waste for a black bag!

We have invested in 2 folding bins, a fair bit larger than the silly little one on the door of the van, one for recycling and one for general waste.  They are only emptied either when full or when leaving a site.  If a very short stay then we use a smaller bag.

The waste one we use a pedal bin liner in.   The recycling one we put all the paper, card, washed plastics and washed tins directly into, glass we usually keep separate. When full we take the contents, plus any glass, in a bag to the recycling point, and this bag becomes our next general waste bin liner.

Like Hja, we never have enough waste to fill a black bag.  If we only have a few items to recycle, we just carry them un-bagged.

We have noticed,  on Club sites, when the smaller bins were provided, that many campers took  no notice of the recycling instructions, presumably wardens were left to sort out that problem.  I wonder if campers are taking better note now that the large centralised bins are being used?

With the Club you often never know the full details as to why things change. No doubt the cost of bin liners is one reason, and yes smaller bins on sites would need them otherwise they would stink! However there are probably numerous reasons why the Club have changed to central rubbish collections. Had the Club articulated the reasons more fully we might not be having this conversation?

I agree with Kj on his observation that many took no notice of the recycling instructions on the bins. Goodness knows what they do at home.

David

Service Points

We have just returned from our second trip this year to Wharfedale Club Site and would record that this is a very well kept site and the wardens are exceptionally good and helpful.   However the experience was ruined half way through by the introduction of the new rules about the Service Points. The Club have now introduced a central rubbish collection point as opposed to having bins at each of the Service Points.  Apparently this is because of concern at the amount of black bin bags being used.  They have also stopped the wardens using their tractors to maintain the service Points.  I believe this is being done to reduce the carbon footprint of the Club.

I object strongly to this situation. 

First of all there has not been any member consultation on this change.  The central collection point for rubbish is anything but central.  It is positioned at the front entrance to the site.  Wharfedale is not the largest site in the network however from the furthest pitch to the front entrance the round trip is approximately half a mile.  Previously most members would have several trips a day to the Service Points to deposit rubbish however they are not now doing this and are restricting their trips to the central collection point to once a day.  They are using many more plastic bags than previously and I witnessed several members using their cars to visit the central collection point.  We are in our seventies as are many members and do not want to walk half a mile to deposit our rubbish.  We are meant to be on holiday not forced into carrying rubbish long distances.  It will not be long before members are leaving bags of rubbish outside their vans, awaiting their visit to the central collection point which will lead to attracting vermin and birds etc.  How can any of this be environmentally friendly or reducing the carbon footprint?  The ridiculous positioning of this, so called, "central collection point", not in the centre of the site but at the front entrance, means long walks for members and also is a very ugly welcome on arrival at the site.  It is the first thing one sees - an ugly bin store.

On the matter of the wardens not being allowed to use the small tractors to maintain the existing service points we now have the situation where the wardens are using a wheel barrow to visit the service points.  to properly maintain these points they require brushes, shovels, chemicals and hoses etc.  in a wheel barrow? it is just not working and I think these areas are not as clean as they always have been.

I would take the rubbish as I go out and dump it then, but those who never go out might like a trolley cart.

I fear, BP, that you are not making your voice heard in the right place. If you have strong objections to the arrangements, you need to address them directly to CAMC rather than posting on the discussion forum which is not always monitored by staff at higher management level.

With regard to member consultation, you, as a member, delegate such decisions to the elected Council members as set out in the terms of the club's governance. It’s much like electing your local authority councillor in that you won't be personally consulted about a change to council services as the councillors will make those decisions on your behalf.

I agree with TW. You wouldnt expect to be consulted on every decision that is made by your local council, so why expect to be consulted on this just because you don't agree with it?

My understanding is that this is a trial. We've stayed on a number of sites with this system, and have had no problem. Just chuck your rubbish in to the back of the car when you go out.

If nothing else, fewer tractors chugging around the place has to be welcome. We just need to get wardens to stop using leaf blowers now!