CLs reluctant (understandably) to forward book

Liz K replied on 19/10/2021 14:08

Posted on 19/10/2021 14:08

Hi all, 

Call me boringly organised, but I have been booking for next year to get the CLs we'd like at the times we need them (still working, can't be 100% flexible). All good with most but I have just been ranted at by one CL owner who has been let down so much by people simply not turning up he isn't forward booking any more (certainly not for 2022, not sure when he starts to risk it). When I say ranted, I mean really ranted at for 5 mins or so. It's unsettled me and I'm not easily rattled. I'm very happy to pay a deposit, by the way. I think this is entirely reasonable. To book this site now I will have to pay the whole fee upfront. 

Don't get me wrong - we would NEVER let someone down unless it was a real medical emergency, and I completely understand that the chap is frustrated at people not-showing, or multi-booking for the same week. I asked if he has leverage via the club with persistent no-shows and apparently he hasn't. (Another CL owner told me that he had to ask someone to leave the site due to anti-social behaviour and they became quite aggressive - and again he couldn't report them to the club). 

Has anyone else met with this response when trying to book a CL for next year? And would it be possible for the club to help CL owners have some clout, even if it's just a stiff letter to a member? Or am I being unrealistic in days of trying to capture members, not lose them? 

Not sure if I want to go to this CL now although it looks lovely. Perhaps he was just having a bad day but .... 

 

replied on 20/10/2021 09:08

Posted on 20/10/2021 09:08

 This is a condition of your Certificate, breach of
which could also put your cover at risk should a
claim arise under your public liability insurance.
All members carry a membership card so
please ask to see this as evidence of current
membership. Check the expiry date and note
the member’s name, address, telephone number
and membership number in your booking-in
diary, just in case any queries arise. Quite a lot of
members complain to us that owners do not ask
to see their cards. They like to know that CLs are
for their exclusive use

Never been asked for my address

Takethedogalong replied on 20/10/2021 09:15

Posted on 20/10/2021 09:01 by JohnM20

Just as a slight aside, it is interesting that the majority of posters on this thread, (not many admittedly) say they are happy to pay a deposit or even the full amount at the time of booking (I'm also one of them). Conversely, over the years there have been many posts saying that they are glad that the CaMC don't request a deposit. Are CL users of a different mindset?

Posted on 20/10/2021 09:15

We have always been happy to pay a bit to secure one of only five pitches that might be available on a CL we love up to a year or more in advance. In fact I used to pay the full amount off by the time we arrived at our favourite Cornish CL. We did have to cancel one time (Dad taken very ill) CL owner relet what she could and reimbursed us this very kindly. We didn’t expect more.

Mixed feelings about deposits on Club Sites. It won’t affect us that much, only time we advance book these is for a particular event. Otherwise I book as we head off, going elsewhere if a Site is full. It wil ease off gradually as overseas gets back on line for a lot more, and others decide touring isn’t for them and take to the skies again.

cyberyacht replied on 20/10/2021 11:07

Posted on 20/10/2021 11:07

CLs vary so much. Some clearly are trying to run it as a business, others more as a hobby with the potential for some pin money. With a maximum of five, any cancellation is a significant impact on income if unable to resell the pitch. Perhaps that is why some overbook, like airlines, to account for no shows and "wing it" if everyone turns up.

Reasons for cancellation can vary from the trivial (rain in the forecast, going elsewhere) to the serious (sickness, breakdowns, recently for me - insufficient fuel, covid restrictions etc). Also it could be argued that the owner has only really lost income if fully booked and had turned customers away.

What is the equitable approach to this issue, one night's fee as per CAMC? 

Cornersteady replied on 20/10/2021 11:35

Posted on 20/10/2021 11:07 by cyberyacht

CLs vary so much. Some clearly are trying to run it as a business, others more as a hobby with the potential for some pin money. With a maximum of five, any cancellation is a significant impact on income if unable to resell the pitch. Perhaps that is why some overbook, like airlines, to account for no shows and "wing it" if everyone turns up.

Reasons for cancellation can vary from the trivial (rain in the forecast, going elsewhere) to the serious (sickness, breakdowns, recently for me - insufficient fuel, covid restrictions etc). Also it could be argued that the owner has only really lost income if fully booked and had turned customers away.

What is the equitable approach to this issue, one night's fee as per CAMC? 

Posted on 20/10/2021 11:35

What is this one night' fee? That only applies to leaving early?

Wherenext replied on 20/10/2021 15:25

Posted on 20/10/2021 15:25

Are CL users of a different mindset?

A far superior one John, a far superior one.🤣🤣

In all honesty and joking aside I do think that there is generally less speculative booking with a C.L. than a Club site. Plus most users of C.L.s do recognise that you are taking up 20% of the site's booking capacity in one go so there is more of an obligation to show willing.

I have had to cancel C.L.s due to various reasons but can't ever remember doing so simply due to not being bothered and I have no objection to any C.L. owner keeping my deposit if I do have to cancel. I have sometimes left earlier than planned but again never bothered asking for a refund.

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JVB66 replied on 20/10/2021 16:01

Posted on 20/10/2021 16:01

Just a bit off topic. From what. the site staff here have said, they have seen a big rise in "no shows "here this year,  mainly it seems by new members with motor caravans/campers surprised?

They hope the new system with deposits will reduce itundecided

vbfg replied on 20/10/2021 17:13

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:13

Last year when I rang up to book a CL, the owner did tell me that he had read on Facebook of people booking at a number of sites at the same time and simply not bothering to cancel the ones they are not going to use, so perhaps it is quite common, although he didn't mention if he had a lot of no shows himself.

JVB66 replied on 20/10/2021 17:27

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:13 by vbfg

Last year when I rang up to book a CL, the owner did tell me that he had read on Facebook of people booking at a number of sites at the same time and simply not bothering to cancel the ones they are not going to use, so perhaps it is quite common, although he didn't mention if he had a lot of no shows himself.

Posted on 20/10/2021 17:27

On club sites they could not do that as only one booking for the dates concerned would be accepted

nelliethehooker replied on 20/10/2021 19:51

Posted on 20/10/2021 19:51

Talking to the site owner, when I went to pay yesterday, and she said that she'd had a no show the previous night without any call to say they were not coming, and it was usually around this time of year that she got no shows, so perhaps the weather a factor. She also said that she keeps a record of those that don't turn up so as to refuse them a pitch should they try and book one at another date.

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