CL or not?

Wrong, Fish. Rules are far more than only guidelines and there's every chance of someone being caught. I think it's time you stopped perpetrating this view.

Just being realistic. Its the cinderela of the club and really a nuisance to the hierarchy. The Local Auth, Nat Park or anyone else is interested in policing it. As stated here when reported the club does nothing. 

Supposition, Fish, and your opinion. You cannot know that for fact.

Despite what you would like to see, we are where we are with the present system and, until and unless the law is changed, we need to work with what we have within the existing rules. I’m afraid continually moaning about it here will achieve nothing. Try approaching Govt one way or another.

That's the way I read it too, brue, however the C&CC have a different way of working and one can join at their CS sites, or at least that used to be the case.

 

 

 

 

 

There are so many jobsworth's out there and the CMCC has a fair share. Lots of CL's are barely booked from one year to the next and yet have invested time, effort and money in to keeping them going. You don't have to be in the club to offer your site to members, OK. for the advertising and potential bookings that being part of the network brings maybe in return offer a discount to members. There are plenty of CL closures to match the new openings every month, one wonders why? Perhaps they are happy to go it alone or just fed up of the moaners and self appointed CL Police.

For those that complain that there were 6 vans on site, wouldn't you be grateful being the 6th one to have their booking accepted? They probably have less than 5 most of the time too.

One of the best CL's I have visited not only offers fully serviced pitches as well as a superb shower and toilet block but also has an excellent information room. They used to offer both eggs and a few bottles of wine for sale, payment was in an honesty box. The wine was there purely for those in desperate need and was sold at the price paid for it from what I could see. Some pathetic individual actually put in a complaint that they were selling alcohol without a licence so they withdrew the facility. Say no more!

Incidentally, the said CL offers prices per night from £14.50.

 

The exemption system is not just used by the CAMC and the CCC.  The list of exempted organisations runs to over 10 pages, but only a few can issue para 5 exemptions.

Paragraph 5: Sites Approved by Exempted Organisations
With this exemption, an organisation can select sites for its members to stay on, by issuing
certificates to the landowner or occupier. These certificates are valid for up to one year. Non members are allowed to stay on the site if the organisation and the landowner agree to it.

The law would not need to be changed to make the 5 van sites open to non members.  It is the policy of both big clubs to make the 5 van sites members only.  It is not in the interests of the clubs to make the CL/CS sites open to non members.  Many members are members for the CLs only.

Yes, that is the current legislation and what we have to work with unless and until the law changes. That’s exactly why the clubs won’t allow non-members, and why should they when they are the bodies obtaining the exemption right and certificating the sites for their members' benefit?

I have also seen something that says words to the effect of the exempting organisation needing to be responsible for the folk who use the sites.

 

As an individual there is nothing one can do. Its organizations like this club who can take things forward if they want to. It seems the club is not really interested. All I can do is assist those who want to expand in my local area of influence and a number are expanding outside the CL regime with no problems. The downside is the Cl network shrinks.

There are things you can do. Start by lobbying your AM and take it from there. Contact organisations who issue exemption certificates and make a case showing what they could gain by lobbying for change. There are options if you want to take them, or it maybe easier to sit back and fret about it. The choice is yours.

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