Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

Tinwheeler replied on 26/02/2022 21:52

Posted on 26/02/2022 21:38 by allanandjean

Whilst I hope your view of how things will go is accurate there seems plenty of people who feel the need to raise concern that it might not.

No matter how much EVs are “the way forward” there will be many who, no matter how optimistic they are, can’t for a variety of reasons “embrace progress”.

Posted on 26/02/2022 21:52

I can’t see why not, tbh. It seems to be down to mindset 🤷🏻‍♂️

replied on 26/02/2022 22:04

Posted on 26/02/2022 19:13 by Tinwheeler

I was explaining my viewpoint to A&J, David, and I’ve no idea why you accuse me of adding nothing to the discussion when it is you who has frequently demonstrated your anti EV stance and unwillingness to move forward in several threads about EVs.

I quite get the fact that you’re anti EV but was there really any need to effectively insult those who already have EVs by comparing the cars to Betamax?

Posted on 26/02/2022 22:04

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allanandjean replied on 26/02/2022 22:20

Posted on 26/02/2022 21:52 by Tinwheeler

I can’t see why not, tbh. It seems to be down to mindset 🤷🏻‍♂️

Posted on 26/02/2022 22:20

Why not is probably more likely to be down to a lack of finances, lack of “home parking” and a lack of a suitable ICE replacement rather than mindset.

Positivity about EVs is all well and good, and I am positive they will continue to advance, but I am unconvinced that there will not be unforeseen issues down the line, never mind those we know about now.

But,trying to be positive,I do hope I am wrong.

Tinwheeler replied on 26/02/2022 22:24

Posted on 26/02/2022 22:04 by

"Flat earther" is pretty insulting  in my book.  You must live by different  standards,  fortunately not mine.. 

Posted on 26/02/2022 22:24

What is insulting about using a term which refers to people who sincerely and honestly believe in a theory that happens to differ from the popular concept? 

As for different standards, I’m happy to read your words.👍🏻

 

Tinwheeler replied on 26/02/2022 22:36

Posted on 26/02/2022 22:20 by allanandjean

Why not is probably more likely to be down to a lack of finances, lack of “home parking” and a lack of a suitable ICE replacement rather than mindset.

Positivity about EVs is all well and good, and I am positive they will continue to advance, but I am unconvinced that there will not be unforeseen issues down the line, never mind those we know about now.

But,trying to be positive,I do hope I am wrong.

Posted on 26/02/2022 22:36

I do hope you are wrong too, if you understand me.

We were talking really about optimism for the way ahead in EV world which differs from realities such as finance and physical obstacles which also prevent many people going out and buying a new car of a conventional type. 

With regard to the future, I’m not convinced all will be well with any type of power or energy supply but none of us can know so, in the absence of a crystal ball, I choose optimism over doom and gloom. We know the issues caused by using fossil fuels so the alternative certainly seems a better bet to me and I look forward to it.

brue replied on 27/02/2022 09:06

Posted on 27/02/2022 09:06

I had forgotten I was dropping out of this thread! It's worth remembering the engineering know how that's gone into the design and production of electric vehicles and this is being developed further. The National Grid says it can cope with the power draw. We are learning to our cost sadly that we can't continue to use polluting fossil fuels or rely on them and we've got to make things better for future generations.

Very few owned ICE vehicles at first and very few found fuel available. We're past that point but still not reaching mass ownership and it's possible the type and design  of vehicle might change further.

I find it dispiriting to read posts that continually point out the negatives. We know there are negatives but I can genuinely say as someone who drives an EV there are an awful lot of positives too.

smilesmilesmile

 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 27/02/2022 09:24

Posted on 27/02/2022 09:06 by brue

I had forgotten I was dropping out of this thread! It's worth remembering the engineering know how that's gone into the design and production of electric vehicles and this is being developed further. The National Grid says it can cope with the power draw. We are learning to our cost sadly that we can't continue to use polluting fossil fuels or rely on them and we've got to make things better for future generations.

Very few owned ICE vehicles at first and very few found fuel available. We're past that point but still not reaching mass ownership and it's possible the type and design  of vehicle might change further.

I find it dispiriting to read posts that continually point out the negatives. We know there are negatives but I can genuinely say as someone who drives an EV there are an awful lot of positives too.

smilesmilesmile

 

Posted on 27/02/2022 09:24

I agree 100% Brue, everyone is entitled to an opinion but to give that same multi repeated naysaying* opinion everytime new EV related info appears is wearing & just plain nasty.

*naysayer a person who opposes & criticises something continually.

allanandjean replied on 27/02/2022 09:32

Posted on 27/02/2022 09:32

"I find it dispiriting to read posts that continually point out the negatives."

And I find it unrealistic, whatever ones view, to only put one side of the argument-positive or negative.

I say argument, but that's not really a good choice as I have absolutely no argument that replacing ICE cars with EVs is right in many ways. 

Many years ago my employer proposed new working routines and told us how great things would be. When a colleague expressed doubt that their promises would be fulfilled he was told he had a cynical view.

His reply was no, he was not a cynic, but rather a realist with experience, and that experience told him that what we would end up with would not look like what we were being told.

As I say I am not 'against' EVs, take an interest in their development and have considered, and tested, a suitable , for me, EV but in reality there are, and will be, issues regarding EV ownership.

replied on 27/02/2022 09:45

Posted on 27/02/2022 09:06 by brue

I had forgotten I was dropping out of this thread! It's worth remembering the engineering know how that's gone into the design and production of electric vehicles and this is being developed further. The National Grid says it can cope with the power draw. We are learning to our cost sadly that we can't continue to use polluting fossil fuels or rely on them and we've got to make things better for future generations.

Very few owned ICE vehicles at first and very few found fuel available. We're past that point but still not reaching mass ownership and it's possible the type and design  of vehicle might change further.

I find it dispiriting to read posts that continually point out the negatives. We know there are negatives but I can genuinely say as someone who drives an EV there are an awful lot of positives too.

smilesmilesmile

 

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DavidKlyne replied on 27/02/2022 10:11

Posted on 27/02/2022 10:11

Come 2030 there will be no choice but to buy an electric car, if you want to buy new. Unless there is a major change of course by the Government that will become a fact. I suspect that many that currently tow will renew their ICE cars before that date to give them some leeway to allow technology to catch up with the demands of towing. Many by then could well be giving up towing due to age and physical ability. So I just wonder if we are worrying a little bit too early. 

Personally I would love to have an electric car but for the amount of miles I do I can't, currently, justify the price. As far as electric motorhomes are concerned I imagine I will have given up the hobby long before they become the mainstream.

This is not something that is being forced on people in the coming months, it is still 8 years away. By then, no doubt, EV's will have far greater range and supporting charging infrastructure will be in place.

David

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