Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

Boff replied on 21/02/2022 14:17

Posted on 21/02/2022 14:17

I agree is going to difficult for people without dedicated parking and that is going to become even more sought after in the future.    But  there will be solutions if there is demand.  

Oscarmax replied on 21/02/2022 15:52

Posted on 21/02/2022 15:52

New social housing in our area allocated parking spaces at the front, EV charging point in the rear garden ? shame I didn't have a photo

nelliethehooker replied on 21/02/2022 19:59

Posted on 21/02/2022 09:46 by brue

Sorry Nellie, I've given up on this thread but I meant that with a localised power cut no fuel would be available to anyone, electric or otherwise. smile

Posted on 21/02/2022 19:59

I appreciate brue, but if one is stuck at a service station for, say, 10 hrs awaiting for the power to come back on most of those with EVs, especially if they do become popular, will have a lot longer to hang around compared to those with ICEs. 

nelliethehooker replied on 21/02/2022 20:04

Posted on 21/02/2022 14:17 by Boff

I agree is going to difficult for people without dedicated parking and that is going to become even more sought after in the future.    But  there will be solutions if there is demand.  

Posted on 21/02/2022 20:04

However by the time the demand is high enough to warrant a solution it will take many more years for that solution to be implemented. Surely now is the time to get started on putting the solutions in place, and then the demand for EVs might take off.

JVB66 replied on 21/02/2022 20:30

Posted on 21/02/2022 20:04 by nelliethehooker

However by the time the demand is high enough to warrant a solution it will take many more years for that solution to be implemented. Surely now is the time to get started on putting the solutions in place, and then the demand for EVs might take off.

Posted on 21/02/2022 20:30

Where we live not one of the terraced houses and there are hundreds can even.Park outside their houses let alone charge a vehiclelaughing

DavidKlyne replied on 21/02/2022 20:44

Posted on 21/02/2022 20:44

There were around 200,000 electric cars sold in the UK in 2021. This accounted for 11% of all new cars sold that year. (source https://heycar.co.uk/blog/electric-cars-statistics-and-projections ) That is still only a tiny percentage of all cars. Clearly the number of new EV's sold will accelerate (if you forgive the pun) in coming years. It could be that some local councils are dragging their feet in terms of charging infrastructure, there are grants available from Central Government. That dragging of feet may well be a reflection of the type of housing, for example if there are a lot of terraced houses its not so easy as JVB reminds us. However kerbside solutions are being developed but are not mainstream yet. I assume anyone that buys an electric car also investigates where it can be charged before committing to it? For anyone who has a drive where they can park their car it would be easy enough to install a home charging point. For others they may have to accept that they will have to charge the car when they are out and about at the supermarket etc.

David

JVB66 replied on 21/02/2022 21:06

Posted on 21/02/2022 21:06

Unless charging points are subsidised the cost is far higher to use them other than at home and the VAT is at 20 per cent 

The reason the charging points are not working at our parade of shops is that the p ay by card facility is not working(the only method)

ChocolateTrees replied on 23/02/2022 15:37

Posted on 21/02/2022 21:06 by JVB66

Unless charging points are subsidised the cost is far higher to use them other than at home and the VAT is at 20 per cent 

The reason the charging points are not working at our parade of shops is that the p ay by card facility is not working(the only method)

Posted on 23/02/2022 15:37

The 5% VAT home vs 20% VAT public differential is significant, but nothing like as significant as off peak (7.5p) vs peak 28p charging differential. If you have an EV and home charging, then using a peak - offpeak tariff will (for many) be very attractive. 

Solution for the very significant numbers who cant home charge will need to be found. One possible solution is the company StoreDot (same co-founders of SanDisk, the thumbdrive people) who are working on (and have demonstrated) a battery that is capable of receiving and storing a charge at up to 100mile range (about 35kWh) in 5 minutes. That starts to mean that with a neighbourhood ultra-rapid charger, your future "filling" behaviour might be similar to that with an ICE car. 

ChocolateTrees replied on 23/02/2022 15:40

Posted on 19/02/2022 20:41 by nelliethehooker

So what happens when, like this week, a storm causes all electric power to be cut off to the service station you had identified as a recharging point en route? Do you just park up and wait for it to be reattached, which could be days!?

Posted on 23/02/2022 15:40

The simple answer is - use the technology. I think I already described that by looking at the internet, or even my car navigation, I have a real time view of the charging networks, their operational status of the chargers and their real-time occupation. I.e. I don't have to wait until I rock up at charger to find out if it is down, in use or free. The network tells me (and my car) in advance. 

The tools are out there - you just have to make use of them.

davetommo replied on 24/02/2022 18:26

Posted on 20/02/2022 21:17 by JVB66

I think the commercial vehicle operators will have a say on that as will those of us who wiil be not only hit in the pocket with higher fuel prices but also higher transport costs to super markets

Posted on 24/02/2022 18:26

Do you mean just like the say that they have on extortionate fuel   prices now.

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