Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

EmilysDad replied on 03/01/2022 13:11

Posted on 03/01/2022 12:59 by Rocky 2 buckets

Well put Brue, I sit up & read thoroughly all you ‘boots on the ground’ folk as you are speaking from experience. The ‘caller 2’s’ are just white noise. I hope you & ChocT continue to enlighten us. Thank you.

Posted on 03/01/2022 13:11

so you never hear a Tesla drive passed you?

ADP1963 replied on 03/01/2022 13:30

Posted on 03/01/2022 13:30

Not personally but the company I worked for at the time probably would have. My activity was mainly on the M4 in Wales. 

ADP1963 replied on 03/01/2022 13:44

Posted on 03/01/2022 13:44

I am mistaken because you answered the question that I asked Brue, who does have one and also the experience that was going to give me the answer to my question. As for the roads in Cornwall not being in better condition than Herefordshire that is fact .I have family in Cornwall and spend at least 6 weeks a year there, so I know which county has the better roads.. Frost free or very little frost counties suffer less detriment to their roads. If that Council maintains their roads better so be it ,but weather and traffic is a major contributor.

Boff replied on 03/01/2022 13:46

Posted on 03/01/2022 08:11 by cyberyacht

Brue wrote "and we'll benefit from noise reduction too"

Not as much as one might expect. Tyre noise is the biggest contributor to traffic noise.

My brother has a Kia Niro EV, which upon a bit of cursory research, seems the best for range/cost but still not cheap. Range isn't a problem for him as he seldom goes anywhere significant, the most distant being about 50 miles. If I had one, it would be just about doable to visit my daughter, who lives in a terraced house in London a 140 mile round trip, and get home again. Dark, cold and wet conditions would produce range anxiety.

Posted on 03/01/2022 13:46

You would have range anxiety.   But the only the first time you did it.   We have a Kia Eniro and unless you drove like a complete idiot then a 140mile trip would leave you with 120m spare so not just about doable.   These are winter figures not summer btw.  My OH does a 70mile round trip commute to work.   We tend to charge after the second day. The logic being if the charge failed, it never has, then she would still have enough charge to get her to and from work.  

Our tow car is a great big 3.0l V6 diesel.  It is crude compared to the Niro.  It is not just the lack of engine noise but the fact there are no gear changes make the experience both rapid and smooth.  

 

brue replied on 03/01/2022 13:58

Posted on 03/01/2022 09:12 by

I am the one who liked it . No doubt EV are quiet  but that wouldn't  be a USP for me I am more than happy with the noise levels  in my cars. There is no comparison between a luxury diesel car (mine is only 4 cylinder now) and a motorhome which is effectively  a delivery van conversion.  

Posted on 03/01/2022 13:58

David, I quoted our motorhone cab as an example and actually it's a good engine as far as diesel goes. Obviously we've run all sorts of vehicles over the years and OH has raced with supercharged engines but the one thing in common is the noise they make. EVs don't have an engine to make a noise, they are quiet. smile

Tinwheeler replied on 03/01/2022 14:12

Posted on 03/01/2022 13:44 by ADP1963

I am mistaken because you answered the question that I asked Brue, who does have one and also the experience that was going to give me the answer to my question. As for the roads in Cornwall not being in better condition than Herefordshire that is fact .I have family in Cornwall and spend at least 6 weeks a year there, so I know which county has the better roads.. Frost free or very little frost counties suffer less detriment to their roads. If that Council maintains their roads better so be it ,but weather and traffic is a major contributor.

Posted on 03/01/2022 14:12

I answered nobody's question, ADP, but made my own point.

When I address someone directly, I quote their post as I have here. It saves confusion and frustration which is otherwise caused by having to hunt back to see what a poster is talking about. Tbh, it would be helpful if you adopted the practice to aid continuity.👍🏻

Neither you nor I can state fact about the roads in Cornwall as opposed to anywhere else as we cannot possibly know the state of all roads in a given area. That is why I introduced doubt by saying I wasn’t sure your comment would bear scrutiny. I did not say you were wrong or suggest anything other than supposed 'fact' is questionable.

ADP1963 replied on 03/01/2022 14:24

Posted on 03/01/2022 14:24

T.W

      I asked Brue.......you answered and with the word surely in your answer.

 

 Fact to me is fact....you question what you want to, How have you found the road conditions in Herefordshire the?

Tinwheeler replied on 03/01/2022 14:31

Posted on 03/01/2022 14:24 by ADP1963

T.W

      I asked Brue.......you answered and with the word surely in your answer.

 

 Fact to me is fact....you question what you want to, How have you found the road conditions in Herefordshire the?

Posted on 03/01/2022 14:31

I think I would know if I had answered you.

This is now getting way off topic and I suggest we leave it there.

ChocolateTrees replied on 03/01/2022 14:43

Posted on 03/01/2022 13:46 by Boff

You would have range anxiety.   But the only the first time you did it.   We have a Kia Eniro and unless you drove like a complete idiot then a 140mile trip would leave you with 120m spare so not just about doable.   These are winter figures not summer btw.  My OH does a 70mile round trip commute to work.   We tend to charge after the second day. The logic being if the charge failed, it never has, then she would still have enough charge to get her to and from work.  

Our tow car is a great big 3.0l V6 diesel.  It is crude compared to the Niro.  It is not just the lack of engine noise but the fact there are no gear changes make the experience both rapid and smooth.  

 

Posted on 03/01/2022 14:43

Boff, I agree - I think that’s a significant part of it. Having a direct drive rather than a whole drivetrain means there is simply far less “stuff” to make  noise. And that means the marginal gains elsewhere suddenly become important. As an example, when I got my PHEV, I changed tyre brand from the OEM spec Bridgestone to Goodyear because they were rated as about 3dBm lower. It made a difference when in EV mode, but not in Diesel mode. But the Polestar has a tyre that has built in soundproofing. The inner surface has sound deadening attached to it and makes a difference to the occupants. 
Yes - you can still hear the car (road noise) when it goes past you, but inside the cab it’s very very quiet with a combination of reduced tyre noise and wind noise. It’s become worth the manufactures tackling these in “normal” cars (as opposed to RollsRoyce) because they are not fighting a losing battle with engine noise. 

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