Tesla model X

viatorem replied on 29/01/2018 09:39

Posted on 29/01/2018 09:39

Something I posted on another thread regarding EV but could be of interest.

Done some digging on the Tesla model X as it is possibly the most advanced therefore a likely likely towcar.

All this is gleaned from Teslas US owners forum and other web searches So may not be Factual. Please verify for yourself before making a purchasing decision!

OK so the P100 spec car solo has a specced range of 351 miles in ideal conditions. In the real world using heaters, aircon against the wind and up hills at motorway speeds owners report 250-260 miles with a slight drop off in battery capacity as the battery initially ages so your 351 drops to 340  over the 1st three months then stabilises.

Towing capacity on 20" wheels is 2250Kg and curiously only 1500Kg on 22" wheels. 

Some considerations are that aerodynamics play an important part in all Tesla designs so wacking a brick on the back will mess up the aero package somewhat more than conventional cars. Also stop start traffic could have an impact on range especially on a gradient.

One US owner has reported towing a boat (probably more aerodynamic than a caravan) of 2204Kg Towing performance as expected from the powerful electric motors is more than adequate, but he quotes energy usage of 575Whrs/mile solo and up to 800Whrs /mile towing which is 40% more.The owner estimated that in the worst case energy usage could be up to 60% more on gradient (hilly) routes backed up by the other tow test below. Taking the above best case and simply extrapolating the real world mileage would indicate a towing range of 150 miles max. Reducing the towing weight to 1500Kg would give approx 160 miles range. so you would probably need to pull off the motorway at 140 miles for a recharge. Maybe less if Van aerodynamics play more of a part.

If the service station has a Tesla supercharger the battery will charge at a rate of 167 miles per 20 mins  so about 45 mins or so for a full charge. However on a standard charger the charge rate is 25 miles per hour so you could be there 10hrs for a full charge.

 

another test

Here is a summary of a US model X user towing a teardrop van of 573Kg possibly 750Kg laden

Towing distance: 1,003 miles (1,033 total)
Number of Supercharger stops: 11
Average stop time: 1 hour, 34 minutes
Average Energy consumption: 612 Wh/mile
Travel time: 40.25 hours (23.02 hours driving, 17.23 hours charging)
Average travel speed: 24.9 mph

So EV's have a long way to go in my opinion, a decent battery would help!

90 miles between charges!

details of the above trip here

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-x/2016/long-term-road-test/2016-tesla-model-x-range-and-charging-while-towing-a-trailer.html

 

 

lornalou1 replied on 14/05/2020 11:22

Posted on 14/05/2020 11:22

Why are most hybrids battery and petrol. Like the new BMW AD keeps saying electric or petrol, electric or petrol. I would be interested if it said electric or diesel. There are a lot of diesels out there that are cleaner than petrol. Sorry for going off topic.

viatorem replied on 22/05/2020 19:50

Posted on 29/09/2019 20:40 by paulandnic

I have a Tesla Model X....the standard range.  We took delivery of this on 6th Sep.

.....and i have a 2018 Compass Casita 840 weighing in at an mtlpm of approx 1734 kg and its the 8ft wide and 26ft long too

I towed for the first time after doing loads of research and it was amazing!

By far the best towing experience i’ve ever had....better than any diesel or petrol, manual and automatic.

It typically uses double the battery.....we went from West Yorkshire to Morecambe on a Friday afternoon after school.  

We had 234 miles in the battery when we set off and arrived 70 miles later with 100 miles left in the Battery.

It pulled like there was nothing on the back and because there is no gear changing in the engine (both manuals and auto’s have a lag), the acceleration was instant, at one point i checked to make sure the my van was still attached to the A frame!

The car comes with a Tow mode and a little camera that allows you to keep an eye on your hitch whilst towing.

Upon arriving at the camp site....Tesla provide you with a 3 pin industrial socket to charge from the caravan connection, so when not using the full mains in the caravan, we charged the car.  This type of connection gave approx 12 miles for every hour it was on charge....ideal to get out and explore.

Anyway....it was amazing....i’ve attached a photo below

I do think it’ll restrict our distances with our breaks away, maybe even encouraging more overnight stops on to our final destination....however when you arrive and have not paid for any fuel....that leaves you with a nice little smug feeling.

Any questions, please ask...i’ve found it a mine field trying to get any British people to give advice on towing with an EV.

Manu thanks

Paul

 

Posted on 22/05/2020 19:50

Interest to read real towing experience, just trying to understand the mileage. I guess the 234 initial range was calculated for the car solo. Then the 70 mile tow consumed 134 miles of range. So is the remaining 100 mile range calculated solo or towing? I'm guessing solo so in effect there a remaining 50 mile range towing?  Giving a total towing range of 120 miles. If I've got this wrong and the towing range is 170 miles that's impressive and better than the reports I quoted. 

davelane replied on 05/12/2020 10:23

Posted on 29/09/2019 20:40 by paulandnic

I have a Tesla Model X....the standard range.  We took delivery of this on 6th Sep.

.....and i have a 2018 Compass Casita 840 weighing in at an mtlpm of approx 1734 kg and its the 8ft wide and 26ft long too

I towed for the first time after doing loads of research and it was amazing!

By far the best towing experience i’ve ever had....better than any diesel or petrol, manual and automatic.

It typically uses double the battery.....we went from West Yorkshire to Morecambe on a Friday afternoon after school.  

We had 234 miles in the battery when we set off and arrived 70 miles later with 100 miles left in the Battery.

It pulled like there was nothing on the back and because there is no gear changing in the engine (both manuals and auto’s have a lag), the acceleration was instant, at one point i checked to make sure the my van was still attached to the A frame!

The car comes with a Tow mode and a little camera that allows you to keep an eye on your hitch whilst towing.

Upon arriving at the camp site....Tesla provide you with a 3 pin industrial socket to charge from the caravan connection, so when not using the full mains in the caravan, we charged the car.  This type of connection gave approx 12 miles for every hour it was on charge....ideal to get out and explore.

Anyway....it was amazing....i’ve attached a photo below

I do think it’ll restrict our distances with our breaks away, maybe even encouraging more overnight stops on to our final destination....however when you arrive and have not paid for any fuel....that leaves you with a nice little smug feeling.

Any questions, please ask...i’ve found it a mine field trying to get any British people to give advice on towing with an EV.

Manu thanks

Paul

 

Posted on 05/12/2020 10:23

Thanks Paul

 

I've been looking at the Model X , have you had any issues other than a range concern whilst pulling

Many Thanks

Tigi replied on 05/12/2020 18:54

Posted on 05/12/2020 18:54

Back to hydrogen I see the EU wants 1000 hydrogen filling stations by 2030.

lornalou1 replied on 06/12/2020 12:39

Posted on 06/12/2020 12:39

.however when you arrive and have not paid for any fuel....that leaves you with a nice little smug feeling.

 

So the electricity you use to charge the batteries is free then???

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