Oh no not weights again - surely not

pageste replied on 01/07/2018 15:41

Posted on 01/07/2018 15:41

I have been wrestling with the thorny subject of weights recently and after 30 years of caravanning without ever checking anything I am now evangelical. I have following a trip to a weighbridge an accurate (ish) confirmation of weights. My MPTLM is under control, my noseweight is achievable by careful placing of items and following a few test tows I am a happy bunny.........but.

The MTPLM of my van is 1498 , when weighed with practically nothing in the van except bedding it came in at 1560. I have since removed everything I can think of but have no usable payload so over to the car. But the MTPLM is below the limit.

The manufacturer quoted kerbweight for my car was 1490 so not a match ? the actual weight on the weighbridge was 1810 ( including just me as driver) so yes a possible match. However the GVW for the car is 2230. If you add the rest of the family and one slightly rotund spaniel it gives me 2140 so again not much room for payload?

My question to all the experts out there is do you add the noseweight of 75kg to the cars GVW ? and reduce the payload to a flask and a packet of quavers ?

It was a lot easier when I wasn't a responsible member of the community and towed thousands of miles in unsuitable vehicles.cool

Lutz replied on 02/07/2018 09:01

Posted on 02/07/2018 09:01

The short answer to the original question is yes, noseweight is part of the car's GVW.

Tinwheeler replied on 02/07/2018 10:00

Posted on 01/07/2018 17:02 by pageste

Im luck enough to also have a kia 4x4 which will do the job if needed, looks like it will be Peugeot for short trips with no gear and the 4x4 for longer outings with the BBQ etc.

Posted on 02/07/2018 10:00

No brainer. I’d tow with the 4x4 every time. 👍🏻

Lutz replied on 02/07/2018 10:18

Posted on 01/07/2018 17:02 by pageste

Im luck enough to also have a kia 4x4 which will do the job if needed, looks like it will be Peugeot for short trips with no gear and the 4x4 for longer outings with the BBQ etc.

Posted on 02/07/2018 10:18

What's 4x4 got to do with towing under favourable road conditions?

Tinwheeler replied on 02/07/2018 10:34

Posted on 02/07/2018 10:18 by Lutz

What's 4x4 got to do with towing under favourable road conditions?

Posted on 02/07/2018 10:34

Who said the road conditions would be favourable and the site mud free?

The Kia sounds a better bet as a towcar in my opinion. You may well disagree. 

Lutz replied on 02/07/2018 11:05

Posted on 02/07/2018 10:34 by Tinwheeler

Who said the road conditions would be favourable and the site mud free?

The Kia sounds a better bet as a towcar in my opinion. You may well disagree. 

Posted on 02/07/2018 11:05

I am not saying the Kia is not a good towcar but the OP was talking about towing the caravan on journeys which are presumably not across muddy fields.

Cornersteady replied on 02/07/2018 17:25

Posted on 02/07/2018 11:05 by Lutz

I am not saying the Kia is not a good towcar but the OP was talking about towing the caravan on journeys which are presumably not across muddy fields.

Posted on 02/07/2018 17:25

yes but what towing towing in the rain, or even snow or ice? Yes you wouldn't set off when it's really snowing but you might get caught out?

JVB66 replied on 02/07/2018 17:35

Posted on 02/07/2018 17:35

I think as us, the added weight of most 4x4s tends to give a more stable tow ,and as the likes of our Kia are running as front wheel drive under normal conditions, with the drive transfering some of the power to the rear wheels automatically when needed,( 50/50 if locked),then we would not tow with anything else

Lutz replied on 02/07/2018 21:20

Posted on 02/07/2018 17:25 by Cornersteady

yes but what towing towing in the rain, or even snow or ice? Yes you wouldn't set off when it's really snowing but you might get caught out?

Posted on 02/07/2018 21:20

Fair enough if you want to be prepared for all possible eventualities. I suppose it's a bit like insurance. Some people want to be covered against everything, others, for economic reasons, are willing to accept the odd minor risk.

Maybe the OP has no intention of towing in winter months and only visits sites with hard standing pitches. In a case like that a 4x4 would be overshooting the mark a bit.

pageste replied on 05/07/2018 12:41

Posted on 05/07/2018 12:41

Blimey , every question brings a question. My fault when I said I have a kia 4x4 what I should have said is I have another vehicle that is considerably heavier than the Peugeot. In fact of the two and having done two longish journeys the Peugeot tows the easier because of its better torque. One of the trips was in the rainy season to Norfolk earlier in the year and the warden specifically asked us 4 x4 people not to try and tow on and off the pitch. They did it with their tractors as the pitches were getting destroyed.

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