Kerb weight vs max towing weight - braked

ellie2761 replied on 24/02/2018 17:49

Posted on 24/02/2018 17:49

I have a swift challenger 4 berth 530 2003 with an mtplm of 1429kg

I am looking for a new tow car and all these different weights are really confusing me.

I saw a 2011 Skoda Superb estate with a kerb weight of 1494 and a  Max. Towing Weight - Braked of 1800 but when I put this car into the clubs checker its 97%.

I also looked at Insignia Estates they don't list a kerb weight  but they claim their Max. Towing Weight - Braked is 1600-1700 there are loads of models and the clubs checker doesn't have the info on some of them, those I found on a 'range search' don't seem to come close to the magic 85%.

 I don't understand what the max towing weight means. Can anyone explain to me how a car with such a low kerb weight can tow 1800?

Thanks.

Lutz replied on 25/02/2018 07:48

Posted on 25/02/2018 06:32 by

Certainly the kerbweight is not easy to find for our tow car; not shown on plate or documents and the CC checker is well out for ours.

Posted on 25/02/2018 07:48

Like I said, if you want to know the kerbweight really accurately there's no alternative but to actually weigh the car because you won't find an accurate figure anywhere else.

replied on 25/02/2018 08:29

Posted on 25/02/2018 08:29

I did find an accurate figure on Towcar.info and also on Caravan Talk but as you say Lutz the only way to be sure is usually to weigh the vehicle as it is difficult to know which of the many values for kerbweight is correct.

Lutz replied on 25/02/2018 09:08

Posted on 25/02/2018 08:29 by

I did find an accurate figure on Towcar.info and also on Caravan Talk but as you say Lutz the only way to be sure is usually to weigh the vehicle as it is difficult to know which of the many values for kerbweight is correct.

Posted on 25/02/2018 09:08

If you did find an accurate figure which actually corresponded to your particular car you were lucky and it was pure chance. It would be wrong to assume that Towcar.info, in general, have access to any accurate data.

replied on 25/02/2018 09:13

Posted on 25/02/2018 09:13

Much my thoughts as well. 

If you search the web there are at least as many wrong answers as right ones. 

lornalou1 replied on 25/02/2018 11:56

Posted on 25/02/2018 11:56

surely when a car comes of the line it has a kerbweight. then you fit a towbar at say 30/40kg so I would say the weight of the car has now changed and needs to be added to the first kerb weight. I took my car to local builders merchant last week and weighs 1970kg without me in it and a full tank. mass in service states 2006kg and hand book states 1875kg kerb weight. I am the only driver of the car so could add another 108kg to that.(yes I am a fatty) so with the wife as well makes the total 2153kg before loading up for a trip.

Lutz replied on 25/02/2018 14:36

Posted on 25/02/2018 14:36

Yes, of course the car has a kerbweight when it comes off the line, but it's not documented anywhere.

It's rather unusual for the stated mass in service to be greater than kerbweight. There's obviously something wrong there because, taking differences in definition into account, that should never be the case. That the actual weight is more than any quoted kerbweight, however, is only to be expected.

lornalou1 replied on 25/02/2018 20:21

Posted on 25/02/2018 20:21

Lutz, I agree. never get the same match with different websites. i'll take the mass in service that's on v5 as correct but even then they don't add the weight of the tow bar but then again not everybody tows.

Lutz replied on 25/02/2018 20:41

Posted on 25/02/2018 20:21 by lornalou1

Lutz, I agree. never get the same match with different websites. i'll take the mass in service that's on v5 as correct but even then they don't add the weight of the tow bar but then again not everybody tows.

Posted on 25/02/2018 20:41

Mass in service not only doesn't include a dealer-fitted towbar but also doesn't include any factory fitted options either, so using the V5c mass in service figure will always give you a conservative result.

EmilysDad replied on 25/02/2018 22:58

Posted on 25/02/2018 20:41 by Lutz

Mass in service not only doesn't include a dealer-fitted towbar but also doesn't include any factory fitted options either, so using the V5c mass in service figure will always give you a conservative result.

Posted on 25/02/2018 22:58

Mercedes' weights/masses must be way out then as just about everything is an option

everard17 replied on 26/02/2018 13:33

Posted on 26/02/2018 13:33

Having used our Insignia Estate as a tug for our Lunar Clubman for the last five years I would say it makes an ideal towcar. We have travelled to all four corners and never experienced any problems,it tows our 1500mtpl van with ease.

 

 

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