Lithium- probably the best decision I have made!

Merve replied on 15/06/2019 17:44

Posted on 15/06/2019 17:44

For those who are considering Lithium as an alternative to EHU fees. Well, I think we can all agree that this summer has been a washout so far with a decent day here and there- well, in Wales, that has been the case. It’s been cold too! Most of the time, it’s been leaden skies, overcast and dull. It has, in fact, been an excellent opportunity to test the Lithium Battery I purchased in the very early spring. Now, it has to be admitted that I now have 300w on the roof courtesy of a show offer by Coachman. However, throughout it all, the Lithium has performed so very well. We have, like others, had our heating on in June, been captive in our van through foul weather, making the television or a DVD very attractive  to pass the hours as the rain beat on the roof!. Been able to use the toaster every day, a food blender, clean around with our powerful  240v vacuum etc and the usual lights at night! Charge our phones and toothbrushes etc etc.  The Safefill has taken care of the fridge, the water, the heating etc with the battery supplying the much needed Alde pump. At no time has the Battery been below 87% and to be fair, most of the time not below 95% SoC. Even in very overcast conditions the panels were able to feed an amp or two into the Battery. During a very sunny interval between the clouds the other day I noticed 19.1 amps being fed into the Lithium!! It doesn’t take long at those levels to fill the battery completely and a Lithium can take that level of charge without a problem. 3 hrs of TV reduced it by 2%! Had that been during the day, I wouldn’t have noticed any drop whatsoever- the Panels would have fed more in than I was taking out. There is no doubt that a Lithium Battery has moved the bar higher. All in all, a very worthwhile experience. (Please-  I am not looking for a fight with EHUers! I just want to post my findings for those that are interested!!)

mickysf replied on 30/06/2019 22:26

Posted on 30/06/2019 18:35 by cyberyacht

Interesting dilemma. At what age do we decline to upgrade/ renew kit or indeed even the van? Do we base it solely on the economic/ return on investment argument. How do we calculate the benefit/cost crossover point? Show your workings with illustrative graphs. wink

Posted on 30/06/2019 22:26

May be in this day 'old age' ought to be defined as that moment in time when one is unable, unwilling or incapable or keeping up with the rest of the world. My grandfather saw the first car drive through his village, the first television and the first man on the moon but in later life refused to accept much of what we now take for granted. God bless him.

brue replied on 30/06/2019 22:49

Posted on 30/06/2019 22:49

Merve has said he wants to run things that not everyone wants or needs to run off grid. So for many of us, we can leave behind the use of a microwave, TV, hoover, toaster and electric kettle etc etc. If we can't leave home without our worldly goods then an expensive LB will keep us going. You'd need to disregard the cost to achieve your home comforts and then feel a bit better by saving on site fees at the same time but probably not truly be able to justify it as an overall financial saving. BUT thinking aloud...personally if I could run a hairdryer maybe I could persuade my OH....no perhaps not. winklaughing

 

replied on 01/07/2019 07:54

Posted on 30/06/2019 22:49 by brue

Merve has said he wants to run things that not everyone wants or needs to run off grid. So for many of us, we can leave behind the use of a microwave, TV, hoover, toaster and electric kettle etc etc. If we can't leave home without our worldly goods then an expensive LB will keep us going. You'd need to disregard the cost to achieve your home comforts and then feel a bit better by saving on site fees at the same time but probably not truly be able to justify it as an overall financial saving. BUT thinking aloud...personally if I could run a hairdryer maybe I could persuade my OH....no perhaps not. winklaughing

 

Posted on 01/07/2019 07:54

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Mitsi Fendt replied on 02/07/2019 16:31

Posted on 02/07/2019 16:31

I was and indeed am keen to have a lithium set. However in my case  i cannot at present justify it mainly due to the fact that my caravan is 15 years old and going strong. Spending 3.5k on it would be silly. If and when I buy a new caravan I will go for a lithium set. as I really like the idea of being away from the madding crowd.

hitchglitch replied on 02/07/2019 19:28

Posted on 02/07/2019 19:28

I have an electric car which wouldn't be viable without Lithium batteries but we still need to be realistic about the practicality. The Lithium battery in my golf trolley is great; it’s about half the weight BUT at about three times the cost (plus it failed after two years and has to be replaced under warranty). Many golfers still use lead acid because of the cost advantage. Also, there is a severe shortage of Lithium so there is the real possibility that prices will increase and not decrease so they may be the future but it could be a distant future.

I have to say that unless you have an abnormally high usage of off-Grid power then Lithium is totally unjustified. Before batteries were fitted as standard to caravans the normal practice was to use the car hook-up which was fine for about a week before needing to take the car for a run. Add to this that there is a greater and greater demand for EHU such that it is becoming quite unusual to find any site without it (unless you are wild camping).

It may be a nice feeling to be self sufficient but there is no environmental gain, after all you are storing then reusing electricity with loss of efficiency as opposed to using it straight from the grid.

Merve replied on 02/07/2019 21:28

Posted on 02/07/2019 21:28

The golf trolley comparison  is not really comparable Hitch- I am willing to bet that those batteries are not protected by the necessary electronics I’m almost sure of that. As far as your comment of no environmental gain??? I am using the suns rays- not using electricity created by burning the dinosaurs or worse by splitting the atom! How am I having an environmental impact?? A properly fitted Lithium battery with its protection electronics should, and I say again, should last for 20 - 25 yrs. If it doesn’t then I’ll know not to go down that road again but so far, it has revolutionised how I live off grid. The battery allows everything on board to be used as though you had an EHU. As far as cost is concerned, I have attempted to explain this many times- it works out cheaper in the long run- quite a bit cheaper- than burning out 2 decent quality LA batteries every 2 or 3 years. - I know-Ive done it! (YouTube will explain more) Then you have the period between the batteries beginning to fail and buying new ones - another £300 , when you can’t use the toaster or microwave because the batteries can’t hold enough power!   I now carry a quarter of the weight and I don’t have to worry that my battery will be U/S in 2 years time. It’s a win win situation for me. Abnormally High usage? Well, the way I look at it is that I’m on holiday and I want life as easy as possible- if using a toaster every day or heating a meal in the microwave or being able to use a food blender makes life easier, then so be it. There is plenty of Lithium Hitch- it’s the location of the Lithium that’s the problem! 

Merve replied on 02/07/2019 21:36

Posted on 02/07/2019 16:31 by Mitsi Fendt

I was and indeed am keen to have a lithium set. However in my case  i cannot at present justify it mainly due to the fact that my caravan is 15 years old and going strong. Spending 3.5k on it would be silly. If and when I buy a new caravan I will go for a lithium set. as I really like the idea of being away from the madding crowd.

Posted on 02/07/2019 21:36

Mitsi, I haven’t received your email mate. Don’t forget that all kit is transferable from Van to Van. Perhaps the SPs are a little difficult I confess but even those can be transferred. If you use a suitcase type then it’s easier still.  I am extremely happy with my purchase so far. Someone has to do it first. If , as I say, it doesn’t work out I’ll say something loud and long but I have a feeling it’s going to be fine.

replied on 03/07/2019 08:17

Posted on 01/07/2019 07:54 by

Our two LA LB's and the associated 1800W inverter run Dorset Lady's hairdryer (800W).  With shortish hair it only takes 5-8 minutes, if that.  I'm not saying it's ideal but it works and keeps the peace wink.  

Posted on 03/07/2019 08:17

Towel?

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JayOutdoors replied on 03/07/2019 09:46

Posted on 03/07/2019 09:46

I admire Merve (and others) who choose to spend time away using non EHU etc to ‘fuel’ their LV’s and other bits of equipment needed when away but personally cannot justify the expense at this moment in time.  My LV came with a SP on the roof so I can manage a few days without EHU (weather permitting) when/if needed and that for me is all I require just now. Should costs come down it may be something I would consider.  Enjoying time away is what having a LV is all about for me. 

Mitsi Fendt replied on 03/07/2019 11:14

Posted on 02/07/2019 21:36 by Merve

Mitsi, I haven’t received your email mate. Don’t forget that all kit is transferable from Van to Van. Perhaps the SPs are a little difficult I confess but even those can be transferred. If you use a suitcase type then it’s easier still.  I am extremely happy with my purchase so far. Someone has to do it first. If , as I say, it doesn’t work out I’ll say something loud and long but I have a feeling it’s going to be fine.

Posted on 03/07/2019 11:14

Merve. I didn't get round to trying the email again. I think all my questions have been answered on the forum. Everything you say about your set up makes sense to me. As I said earlier if the caravan was newer I would have the set up at the drop of a hat. A new caravan may be on the horizon but not just yet . May well have solar on the current van and see how we go with LA. In the meantime I will keep a watch on the lithium and I'm sure you will keep us all posted with future developments. 

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