Commercial or Car Tyres fitment to your Caravan?

Mulan replied on 07/05/2018 23:45

Posted on 07/05/2018 23:45

I read a post recently that the tyres fitted to most vans including ours are car tires and as such have a 2 Ply side wall and a tyre fitter stated it would be better to fit a Commercial Style tyre, as they have a 8 ply side wall and therefore much stronger and in most cases the blowouts are through the sidewalls. It seems to make sense, as most people are saying that the tyres are running at a high PSi and the obvious weak link is a 2 ply side wall. Has anyone fitted commercial tyres to their van? If so what do they recommend?

Randomcamper replied on 12/05/2018 14:51

Posted on 12/05/2018 13:26 by ocsid

Whilst most catastrophic caravan tyre failures are I believe as stated associated with the sidewall, I don't think they are “instantaneous” true blowouts. I think they are the inevitable outcome of wall structure overheating from running under-inflated simply because we can pick up slow punctures and drive on unaware. The running on underinflated leads to excessive sidewall flexing and drag friction both pumping a great deal of heat into particularly the sidewall. This soon denatures the compound and most non metallic reinforcing, rendering the tyre a write-off sometime before it actually disintegrates catastrophically. A carbonised "rubber" tyre is very fragile and weak!
Here in respect to withstanding excessive heating I really don't see any difference in correctly rated tyre, whether they be a modern knitted reinforcement or various numbers of laid up plys. More generally, I much prefer a knitted toroid reinforcement than the labour intensive laying up of ply sheets with their inevitable compliance variations as adjacent layers overlap, and bigger balance issues.
IMO, by far the most important thing after buying correctly rated tyres is to use a TPMS so be aware of any loss of pressure, hopefully before thermal damage writes a tyre off, either dramatically or insidiously.

Posted on 12/05/2018 14:51

This years entry for the "Plain English Award".........?

Perhaps not......wink

Regardless of your "knitted toroid reinforcement" whatever that is (please don't explain it to me...wink).....I had a blow out on a caravan 30 years ago ( out first van)  on the M6 by Preston. It was very scary....

The tyre fitter who put a new tyre on for me patiently explained that I couldn't and shouldn't have put cheap car tyres on a caravan.......

Lesson learnt for the rest of my life.....

Extugger replied on 13/05/2018 08:53

Posted on 13/05/2018 08:53

Far too important a subject to 'ask' for peoples' opinions IMHO.

As someone who has also experienced a tyre blow-out on a caravan, also on the M6, north of Preston, some 20 years ago, I sought the advice of professionals and have used tyres suitable for light commercials since. They were also fitted to my new caravan at time of purchase.

The Clubs' technical information also suggests the same.....

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/advice-and-training/taking-care-of-your-outfit/caravan-tyres-and-wheels/sizes-and-specifications/

markmacd replied on 30/05/2018 12:36

Posted on 12/05/2018 13:26 by ocsid

Whilst most catastrophic caravan tyre failures are I believe as stated associated with the sidewall, I don't think they are “instantaneous” true blowouts. I think they are the inevitable outcome of wall structure overheating from running under-inflated simply because we can pick up slow punctures and drive on unaware. The running on underinflated leads to excessive sidewall flexing and drag friction both pumping a great deal of heat into particularly the sidewall. This soon denatures the compound and most non metallic reinforcing, rendering the tyre a write-off sometime before it actually disintegrates catastrophically. A carbonised "rubber" tyre is very fragile and weak!
Here in respect to withstanding excessive heating I really don't see any difference in correctly rated tyre, whether they be a modern knitted reinforcement or various numbers of laid up plys. More generally, I much prefer a knitted toroid reinforcement than the labour intensive laying up of ply sheets with their inevitable compliance variations as adjacent layers overlap, and bigger balance issues.
IMO, by far the most important thing after buying correctly rated tyres is to use a TPMS so be aware of any loss of pressure, hopefully before thermal damage writes a tyre off, either dramatically or insidiously.

Posted on 30/05/2018 12:36

Not sure what half of that meant, but I'm with youcool

SuttonColdfield replied on 08/06/2018 16:00

Posted on 07/05/2018 23:45 by Mulan

I read a post recently that the tyres fitted to most vans including ours are car tires and as such have a 2 Ply side wall and a tyre fitter stated it would be better to fit a Commercial Style tyre, as they have a 8 ply side wall and therefore much stronger and in most cases the blowouts are through the sidewalls. It seems to make sense, as most people are saying that the tyres are running at a high PSi and the obvious weak link is a 2 ply side wall. Has anyone fitted commercial tyres to their van? If so what do they recommend?

Posted on 08/06/2018 16:00

Never mind caravans, it is even more relevant on motorhomes as the commercial rating is a must especially those up to and above 3.5 tonnes. I had two blowouts due to car style tyres being fitted on a used van I bought late last year. I am in discussions with the dealer about this as the German police who helped me source two at midnight (yes you read that right!) were told by the fitter that 98H rating is not correct. They must be the C rating such as Semperit VanLife, Michelin Agilis Camping. I know these are right as I have one of the latter and two of the former (as of midnight fitter) are now on the vehicle as the spare was bought with van tyre. Interestingly, the tyres in Germany worked out cheaper than if bought here, partly due to the exchange rate. 

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