Uprate motorhome - any negatives

TomHenry replied on 31/01/2019 15:20

Posted on 31/01/2019 15:20

When we go camping, like to cover all the what-ifs, so, our motorhome is always over-full. 

So, after head-in-sand for a few years, visited weighbridge yesterday and surprise surprise, somewhat over where we should be ............ and that was without my co-pilot!    Seriously considering up-rating to give and extra 250/300kg.for food, wine and of course my wife.

Has anyone done this, are there downsides, such as where you can/cannot go, ferry/tunnel prices, speed limits here and in France etc.etc.   

Information would be most appreciated   

replied on 31/01/2019 15:40

Posted on 31/01/2019 15:37 by JVB66

Would it be better to as seen several times, to have a small lockable trailer ?

Posted on 31/01/2019 15:40

Cheaper than a divorce I suppose wink

replied on 31/01/2019 16:42

Posted on 31/01/2019 15:20 by TomHenry

When we go camping, like to cover all the what-ifs, so, our motorhome is always over-full. 

So, after head-in-sand for a few years, visited weighbridge yesterday and surprise surprise, somewhat over where we should be ............ and that was without my co-pilot!    Seriously considering up-rating to give and extra 250/300kg.for food, wine and of course my wife.

Has anyone done this, are there downsides, such as where you can/cannot go, ferry/tunnel prices, speed limits here and in France etc.etc.   

Information would be most appreciated   

Posted on 31/01/2019 16:42

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DavidKlyne replied on 31/01/2019 17:05

Posted on 31/01/2019 17:05

Once over 3500kgs it tends to open your life to lots of different rules and regulations but not many of them insurmountable and some with ways around. These range from speed limits, not being able to overtake on some autobahns to the need to have different toll methods in the likes of Austria and Switzerland which are not quite as straightforward as buying a vignette. On a Bailey motorhome Facebook group I belong to several owners have uprated their weight allowance. There are firms that specialise in dealing with this. As will be pointed out by those with greater technical knowledge on the subject than me you do have to watch your axle weights to make sure any extra weight does not go over the design weight of the axles. Have you explored removing weight from the motorhome? We all tend to carry things "just in case"?

David

cyberyacht replied on 31/01/2019 17:31

Posted on 31/01/2019 17:31

As has been intimated, you may hit your axle limits before you reach any increased payload. It's surprising the number of roads that have a 3500Kg limit. I'd explore ways of putting your MH on a diet first assuming you aren't ridiculously over the limit. As has been mentioned on other threads, many 4 berth vans will struggle with a 3500Kg limit once you start putting kit into it.

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young thomas replied on 01/02/2019 09:33

Posted on 31/01/2019 15:20 by TomHenry

When we go camping, like to cover all the what-ifs, so, our motorhome is always over-full. 

So, after head-in-sand for a few years, visited weighbridge yesterday and surprise surprise, somewhat over where we should be ............ and that was without my co-pilot!    Seriously considering up-rating to give and extra 250/300kg.for food, wine and of course my wife.

Has anyone done this, are there downsides, such as where you can/cannot go, ferry/tunnel prices, speed limits here and in France etc.etc.   

Information would be most appreciated   

Posted on 01/02/2019 09:33

if you're overweight on the MTPLM without OH, and you haven't said if there was full water, fuel on board....or all the other paraphernalia we all carry, you are also likely to be well over on the rear axle....

depending on the chassis (3.5t or 4.25t) there will be only certain things that can be done.

what van do you have? what's its MTPLM? did you weigh each axle, what were the weights?

if the numbers are as iffy as you say, and it's in the light 3.5t chassis, your options might be limited. extra payload can't just be conjured up out of thin air.....

some manufacturers have been recently large (over 7.5m) vans on 3.5t chassis (license friendly?...) but are all but impossible to run sensibly at that weight....

a bit more info on model, weighbridge weights (including axle weights) and what was/not included would help....

good luck. 

Thornsett replied on 01/02/2019 10:01

Posted on 01/02/2019 10:01

1. It's unnecessary. Just reduce what you carry!

2. Raising the Maximum Permissable Weight does not increase the axle loadings so by itself, it may not achieve your objective.

3. Whilst I have never come across a road in Britain limited to 3,500 kgs that I wanted to drive a motorhome on, parking restrictions are common.

4. Tolls may be based on weight - it would cost me double to go through the Mersey Tunnel.

5. Licence implications including those that apply when you reach 70.

6. Not all garages etc have a lift for a vehicle plated over 3500kg so servicing may be an issue. Minor irritant at worst.

7. The time/cost of downplating if you sell the vehicle to someone restricted to 3500kgs - gets more likely as the years pass because of the licence issue.

I uprated using SVTech. I needed to carry 3 passengers occasionally plus water and an extra battery. Two years later I'm down to no more than two passengers and can get away with one battery; I could downplate.

Tinwheeler replied on 01/02/2019 11:02

Posted on 01/02/2019 11:02

I agree with the points made by others. In fact, there aren’t many positives. 

I think, TH, you just need to be ruthless about the amount of stuff you carry. Why take 3 saucepans if you only ever need 2 and do you really need to carry extra crockery in case folk drop in? They can bring their own. Along with thousand of other MHers, we managed it and life onboard is far simpler without the cupboards stuffed to overflowing and gear littering the floor. 

InaD replied on 01/02/2019 17:17

Posted on 01/02/2019 17:17

I too agree with what previous posters have pointed out, it doesn't seem a worthwhile exercise.

Also agree with TW above in that you'll have to be ruthless and throw out a lot of stuff.  We go abroad twice a year for around 6-7 weeks.  When we first went we took lots of clothing, but soon realised that we just didn't wear even half of it, so now the wardrobe is much more user-friendly!  Also, as far as crockery and cutlery and glasses are concerned, if people come to us or we go to other people, it's customary to bring your own, we don't carry spare 'just in case'.  

Go through the van and be very critical, you may be quite surprised wink

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